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shiro_okami Since: Apr, 2010
#1: Jul 4th 2014 at 6:38:54 PM

Fragile Speedster is often thought of as the Foil to Mighty Glacier, but it really isn't. Mighty Glacier is defined as having high offense and defense, but low speed. Fragile Speedster is defined as having high speed but low defense, but does not mention low offense in either its name or its description. Since there was no trope for high speed but low offense, I decided to start a YKTTW for one, Forceless Speedster.

Here is where things get complicated. As part of a discussion of whether there was any overlap between the existing and potention speedster tropes, acrobox did a Wick Check and found that a majority of the examples actually did indicate both low defense and low offense. (Said Wick Check can be found here.) While this does not necessarily indicate misuse, since the examples would actually be more precise than the trope description, it does mean that a "high speed low offense" trope would probably have a lot of the same examples as Fragile Speedster and likely be seen as a duplicate trope, but at the same time the "high speed low offense" aspect of Fragile Speedster could not be formally recognized without changing the trope description and name "Fragile Speedster" itself.

My proposition is to change both the name and the description of Fragile Speedster so that it means high speed and either or both low defense and low offense. As to why the name would have to be changed, below is an excerpt from the YKTTW discussion.

fragile
  1. able to be broken easily
  2. in a weakened physical state
  3. delicate; light
  4. slight; tenuous
synonyms: delicate, brittle, frail

According to the definition, "fragile" does mean weakness, but a specific kind of weakness, partitcularly that of a weak body/form/constitution (as in defense). Of the seven definitions listed on dictionary.com (4 of them I listed above), only one makes any mention of lack of force. Furthermore, lack of strength/power is neither part of the popular definition nor a popularly understanding or inferred meaning of the word "fragile", which is what really matters. If the trope definition is being changed to include a low attack power aspect, the trope name should be changed.

I'm thinking that Weak Speedster could make a good name, but I'm open to suggestions.

edited 4th Jul '14 6:44:45 PM by shiro_okami

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#2: Jul 4th 2014 at 9:23:49 PM

No. We do not need to split the trope between a low offense version and a high offense version. Attack power does not matter to the trope. We do not need more confusing fighting power level splits.

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