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trekie140 from California Since: Mar, 2013
#1: Jun 6th 2014 at 6:59:28 PM

I think the name of this trope should be changed, it's far too limiting. Why not call it something more related to general forgery? It would allow for many more examples of how people in fiction can be fooled so easily by falsified information. It might also help to remove The Future from the title since it also restricts examples. Perhaps it should just be called Can't Spot A Fake.

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#2: Jun 7th 2014 at 1:44:02 AM

You have good points, there.

Cant Spot A Fake sounds like a great idea for the name of the trope, although we'd probably have to alter the title a bit in order to explain that fictional character in general accept all photographs and videos in general, not necessarily only specific characters.

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#3: Jun 7th 2014 at 2:38:48 AM

Cant Spot A Fake is way to general and ambiguous.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4: Jun 7th 2014 at 2:50:11 AM

Aye, while I like a rename, that particular suggestion is not that good.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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#5: Jun 7th 2014 at 5:01:50 AM

Assumed Genuine Unless Plot Relevant?

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tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
#6: Jun 7th 2014 at 12:15:01 PM

[up][up]Well, as a conversation starter, it's good for that, but otherwise, yeah tongue

As for [up], it's a pretty clear name, but it just seems clumsy rolling off the tongue for me. I'll say that would be my second choice if we can't come up with abetter name

Leaper Since: May, 2009
#7: Jun 7th 2014 at 1:29:22 PM

Would irony (i.e. something like Evidence Never Lies — but probably not that exactly) come through, or is that playing with fire?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#8: Jun 7th 2014 at 1:31:51 PM

Falsification Proof Evidence if we want to have it broader than photoshopping.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#10: Jul 5th 2014 at 5:14:51 PM

I am suspicious of cases to rename that are not accompanied by evidence. (I don't understand why this thread was opened at all. I thought the whole approval system was implemented in part to avoid posts that basically amount to the author's opinion that something should be different than it is.)

The OP is actually arguing that the definition/description should be broadened, not the name, though I disagree with that also. It is specifically about photographs; image manipulation is a thing in itself, and "fictional characters often trust photographic evidence even though that's easy to fake" is a trope in itself, without including other kinds of evidence.

A supertrope about any documentation of any kind not being questioned should be a new article that starts with YKTTW, rather than changing an existing article.

edited 5th Jul '14 6:04:27 PM by rodneyAnonymous

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crazysamaritan NaNo 4328 / 50,000 from Lupin III Since: Apr, 2010
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#11: Jul 5th 2014 at 5:42:39 PM

"in the future" is happening in the present.

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DiamondWeapon Since: Jan, 2001
#12: Jul 8th 2014 at 2:55:38 AM

There's a difference between:

  1. A fake picture is assumed to be genuine (because the plot requires people to be fooled).
  2. The authenticity of a genuine picture is not questioned on-screen (Conservation of Detail).
  3. In a high-tech future or magical setting, producing fake pictures is trivially easy but somehow people still accept pictures as evidence.

The name fits the last one.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#13: Jul 8th 2014 at 3:22:23 AM

^^^I am guessing that the thread was opened because the usage isn't that great and the name is fairly long.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#14: Jul 9th 2014 at 11:43:34 AM

Do either of those things justify little or no objective information in the OP? I mean, the first sentence is "I think the name of this trope should be changed, it's far too limiting." Jeez. Last time I checked, "why not" was one of the worst possible lines of reasoning to support a rename.

edited 9th Jul '14 11:44:57 AM by rodneyAnonymous

Becky: Who are you? The Mysterious Stranger: An angel. Huck: What's your name? The Mysterious Stranger: Satan.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#15: Jul 9th 2014 at 2:57:08 PM

No consensus to rename.

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tryrar Since: Sep, 2010
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#17: Jul 10th 2014 at 12:07:53 AM

I do not see any reason to leave this open any longer. OK, maybe to alphabetize and namespace everything but that doesn't need a Repair Shop.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
rodneyAnonymous Sophisticated as Hell from empty space Since: Aug, 2010
#18: Jul 10th 2014 at 11:39:26 AM

"...so what now?"

Nothing. If you think some edits might improve the article, go for it, but please don't change the definition.

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