Stargate Film Reboots

So this is a thing...

Odd that they would pick the same duo who made the original film to "reboot" the franchise. The films were always planned as a trilogy. Thing is I read the books based on the nixed sequels (Who go in a FAR different direction from SG-1) and they aren't actually "good".

Still, maybe it'll surprise us all. White House Down was amazing. so Emmerich can make good action flicks at least.

And I thought I would give anything for the Stargate Verse to continue.

I liked the sequel I read. But I don't know that I'm that great a judge on literature anyway. I look forward to seeing what these movies do for the franchise. They really do need to back up and erase Universe if they intend on getting the franchise revving back up.

That's true.

Emmerich has gone on record before saying he didn't care for SG-1. And I find that ironic because SG-1 is the only reason this is happening. The only reason anyone even REMEMBERS Stargate the movie. Yet it seems its gonna get rebooted out of existence?

I liked the original movie. It's not top-shelf material, but I still enjoyed it.

I'm looking forward to seeing where it goes, but that doesn't mean it'll be good.

Oh, I sort of liked it too (I would say it's half a good movie, half a tedious, boring one), but it wasn't great. Not even really "I'd buy the DVD" good. The only reason the movie is even remembered is the series. Seriously, without SG 1, anyone asked "What is Stargate" would just stare you back. That said, I did like White House Down alot (Third Best Die Hard film. And yes, I consider it more a Die Hard film than most actual Die Hard films!) so this might be good.

The more I think on it, the more I don't understand the decision to give it to those two. I get not picking the people who made the TV show. TV is different and most of the direct to dvd movies sucked. But, if you want a reboot, wouldn't you want a fresh take on it? Get some new blood to direct and write. Why go "Okay Emmerich, Devlin. You get a 2nd try. Make it better."

edited 29th May '14 7:18:48 PM by Ghilz

Yeah, that's if they gave The Amazing Spider Man reigns to Sam Raimi.

Part of me wonders if its some sort of 2 part plans of MGM.

Part 1: Reboot Stargate

Part 2: Reboot SG 1

Coz otherwise it makes no sense. The only people who even remember and care about Stargate are likely people who care about the series. And rebooting the films (and therefore the series) is just pissing off the Audience that should be making you free publicity and buzzwords.

Seriously, what the hell, MGM?

Oh, another Reboot to ignore...which I probably won't do. I think I'll just mock it until it comes out and then get to ignoring it. I can forgive Godzilla, that has tons of alternate continuities already but Stargate had a ton of unresolved plot lines already.

Forget the Universe silliness and we still have an alien species that has yet to properly debut on Atlantis, not to mention a bunch of transplanted humans in an ancient space craft that doubles as a city cloaked on the Earth. Come to think of it, the Earth kind of lost its bigger stick. Doesn't that need replacing? Aren't the Wraith still around too? Seriously, what made them look at all that and say "reboot"? Yeah, I get Sy Fy canceled Atlantis, but I think we can agree that wasn't their wisest choice. Now that you have an avenue to resurrect Atlantis...nope, not watching the reboot.

I don't care if the creators didn't care for SG1, truth is SG1 was not that good when it started out. My problem is the franchise grew into something bigger, SG 1 finished up its plot lines and spawned a spinoff that has not. There is still lots of unresolved stuff regarding Atlantis.

edited 30th May '14 1:53:48 AM by IndirectActiveTransport

Sadly, most cancelled shows don't get a comeback, even if they were good. I vastly preferred SG-1 over Atlantis, though it was mostly just a lack of interest in a spin-off. What should have happened was the writers of SG-1 keeping up on arcs even when they were expecting to get cancelled. They could have been prepared to stretch stories out rather than cramming so much into two seasons bouncing off the walls.

Well, you know how Stargate SG-1 has its own multiverse complete with lots of alternate versions of the SGC?

Just think of this as one of those alternate universes we haven't seen before. You don't necessarily need to watch the reboot, but they really can't make SG-1 go away at all.

Love SG 1 and SGA, but the original movie actually kinda sucks.

And wasn't Independence Day supposed to be Emmerich's sequel to Stargate? Just do some of those sequels.

What is that... I don't even...

Alright, rather than just running around crying YMMV all the time, I'll ask. What is everyone's problem with the original movie?

I don't hate it really. I sort of like the movie

I just think its a film that sort of grinds to a halt the moment they first past the stargate. It's got some good moment. Ra's reveal, the first appearance of Ra's Soldiers as they hunt down O'Neill's men. And the final battle is good, but most of the stuff on Abydos is like, painfully boring. There's like an eternity of dead air between them arriving on the planet and when Ra shows up and starts fucking people's shit up. (And most of those initial Ra bits are short as hell) where its just "Lets try to talk to the funny natives" and most of it ain't good.

edited 30th May '14 8:14:35 AM by CobraPrime

Yeah, I'll admit the action on the other side was spaced out, but I thought the part with the animal dragging Daniel, the chicken noises, and the first meeting with Kasuf were pretty funny. I mean, "here's a chocolate bar. Let's be friends" is amusing.

Remember, it's a movie about an Archaeologist finding out his theories were correct all along, and getting to explore a living ancient culture that happens to have living, high tech Gods ruling over it. It is an action movie, but not purely so.

Except that we don't. We barely get to know anything about the people of Abydos, other than they are slaves to space gods. They have the barest of characterization (Not helped by the fact that we can't make out what they speak). The boy's the "O'Neill's kid surrogate" and the closest to being an actual character (Though even then, his decision to rebel against Ra seems more like "These guys are cool, lets side with them"), the girl is the token love interest. We don't learn that much of said culture, and little of it is that interesting to justify how long it is.

Even their relation with Ra, which should be an important aspect, if barely covered. How often does Ra show up, for them to confuse Daniel for one of his people or Ra himself? How oppressed are they? What does Ra do when he's not there. In the film he's the last of his species, so where does he bugger off to?

The part of the movie that should be all about the revelations and the discovery of the truth, but it's just lame humor bits that IMHO aren't that funny, and a whole lot of nothing.

edited 30th May '14 8:31:05 AM by CobraPrime

Put that way, I can see the point. It's a let-down. We can only hope Emerich learns from his mistakes, but I doubt it'll happen. Instead, here's hoping he casts people who push him out of his box and actually ask those tough questions so he has to think more.

I, personally, wouldn't mind the cast mixing the movie and the show: Kurt Russell is still in shape. Have him play O'Neil and have Michael Shanks reprise Jackson. If they'll go for it.

edited 30th May '14 8:37:02 AM by Journeyman

I don't get the annoyance over a dead franchise being rebooted.

It'd be one thing if they were cancelling SG-1 to do it, but Stargate hasn't been on TV in years.

My annoyance(I can't talk for others, obviously) is not about the reboot, about Emmerich having a hand on it.

The thing about most of Emmerich's movies is that they have a downright fantastic first 30-45 minutes, but fall apart for various reasons once they get deep into the second act. For Stargate, there is a great sense of wonder and exploration up until they enter the stargate, but once on the planet the plot comes to a crawl and degenerates into more typical Training the Peaceful Villagers and military action scenes.

edited 30th May '14 11:26:07 AM by KJMackley

All that said, Emmerich knows how to make a spectacle.

Ra's entrance is sublime (that bit with his mask!). It's everything after that where things get murky.