ufotable's Fate/Stay Night

It is, but the translation patch hasn't gotten to that part yet. It used to be assumed that it was just time travel but Touko notes that's part of the second and that Aoko's Magic has some rather dangerous/questionable side effects so it seems that we don't actually know what it is yet since she hasn't mastered it.

-leaps two pages-

The part where she forced herself into Shiro's home, and tried to kill him in the middle of school because "it's better this way," and that Tsundere thing she does where she cares half the time and then acts like any attempt at emotional connection with him is some grave offense? And that time she made Archer clean her house instead of using any number of magic spells to do the cleaning? All the battle magic in the world and no "clean the room lickity-split" spell?

Also I'm pretty sure she doesn't have parents and I'm half-convinced she murdered them and stored their bodies somewhere.

That's mostly "kind of a jerk" stuff, not terrible person stuff. And I'm pretty sure her goal in the school attack was to mind erase Shirou, not kill him.

I'm glad you put the Joking Mode pothole in there.

Even though you are fully serious, I will still move to counter:

1) Moving into Shirou's house was for convenience: since they were working together, it made more sense to have one base of operations as opposed to both of them being separated most of the time (though I admit, it might have made more sense to go to her place, as I'd expect it to be far more fortified).

2) She wasn't actually trying to kill him. If she catches him, she just wipes his memory of the Grail War so he can go back to a normal life. Now, while I do think it was kinda dumb, she truly did believe it was safer for him to just get out while he could, and she was the only one who'd be willing to just wipe his mind and take him out of the war that way. Everyone else (Ilya included) would have just killed him. This does ignore the fact that Ilya would kill him even if he wasn't master (as the very first bad end in Fate shows) but Rin doesn't know that.

3) Eh. Tsundere be Tsundere. I don't much like them, but there's nothing you can do about that.

4) ....Ok. The thing with Archer was a dick move. You win on that one.

Edit: Assassin'ed.

edited 27th Jan '17 7:58:53 AM by HandsomeRob

Actually what did happen to her mom? Is she dead or at a mental institution or something?

Well, we know she was the second one at the end of Fate Zero.

We can assume she's likely the second one by the time Stay Night begins too, because dead parents in anime are pretty much required for some reason.

Yeah, I would assume after losing Tokiomi (and being strangled into near-coma) her health wasn't as good and she died a little while after.

Anyway, do we have any specific dates on when a lot of the new Fate stuff this year will be coming, or are is the date still just 2017? Because Fate/Extella already came out earlier this year, and we've got the first episode of First Order...

edited 27th Jan '17 8:27:54 AM by theLibrarian

Fate/Grand Order has like a ton of characters. It's really hard keeping up with all of them. But pretty excited for an anime of it.

Bullying Archer is completely justified at all times because Archer is a dick. Also, he broke her stuff and then lounged around on it looking smug. Get to work, loser.

Slim: She died offscreen, iirc.

Damn, sad Rin had to be raised by Kirei of all people, then again she ended up a decent person without any overbearing flaws inherited from her mom or dad so things turned out pretty well all things considered.

If only Kariya could see her now.

Most of Rin's flaws come from her ignoring her inner conscience because that's what she thinks a "real magus" does. In all routes she eventually decides this is wrong and that she can't suppress her kinder nature.

She also tends to develop out of her tsundere status, not entirely, but she's a much nicer person at the end of the plot.

That's why I count her as a good person. She does some jerkass things, but she grows out of them.

OBJECTION

edited 27th Jan '17 9:57:37 AM by Prime32

Being "kind of a jerk" qualifies you as a "terrible person" in my book generally. Rin isn't too bad though because she does try improve.

I would say the same thing about Kiritsugu. He's trying to do the right thing, which makes him not too bad in my books. Still bad in many ways, but at least he's trying to improve. Him being a failure isn't actually a problem at all IMO. It makes him easier to identify with.

That said, that's partially why I like Iri so much. She doesn't have the terribleness of most of the characters.

As for Madoka's "still living in caves thing", I'll explain it. Kyuubey was saying that every one of humanity's most important achievements, down to leaving caves, occurred only and entirely because a magical girl wished for it.

Hitomi was trying to be a bro when she gave that speech to Sayaka and I respect her for that.

As I've said before, Sayaka is practically perfect in every way for me, but without specific accusations, there's nothing to defend her against and it's just opinions.

...and right on cue.

Actually, I was much later than predicted. But, so what? Was I supposed to maintain a self-imposed exile from the thread for all eternity? Are you so sensitive you cannot bare to hear dissenting opinions or explanations for how things work?

More focused on how well predicted this was.

Hey Sereg we both agree on something: we both think Kerry is a pretty decent dude all things considered.

I'm honestly surprised you share that opinion.

He'd be better if he left that damn shed.

It was predicted I'd turn up pages ago, which I didn't.

Well, there's levels of decentness. I respect his goals and so forth. I mean, I still think that Iri is far more decent and deserves better than him, but still. It's true that mages in general suck, and he doesn't really reach that level as much as I disapprove of some of what he does. I don't believe in "good people", but at least he's trying, which is better than I can say about most.

I mean, I've been compared a lot to Shirou, so obviously I'm not going to be a perfect match with Kiri, but Shirou respected Kiri as well.

EDIT: I don't know? Isn't the fact that he never left that shed what gave him such noble goals in the first place?

edited 27th Jan '17 10:12:46 PM by Sereg

What do you mean by the shed? I think I forgot some stuff.

Nah I think there perfect for each other. She brings out the best in him & he in turn gave her something resembling a normal life, it's pretty heartwarming. OTP for me honestly. Sad it ended tragically, well except for Ilya's show of course & Grand Order kinda.

edited 27th Jan '17 10:17:18 PM by slimcoder

Maybe, but... well...

Even if we ignore the fact that the Grail was massive Schmuck Bait from the get go (corruption or not, it never would have been able to grant his wish), he was gonna sacrifice his own wife in order to do it). Plus, due to his desire to save as many lives as possible, he probably defaulted to kill x amount of people as long as it's less than the amount who would die if I did nothing, which meant he ended up killing a truck load of people anyway, which very much added up.

All this happened because he never forgave himself for not killing his friend as a child, so he swore he'd always make that choice every time ever since, and he likely did that in a lot of situations where maybe, just maybe, he didn't need to. A lot of people have needlessly died because Kerry was still trying to undo the mistake he made as a child.

Plus, that thing with Kayneth was just unnecessary, no matter how much of a dick he was.

Edit:

Basically...

Wait? How much of the series have you watched? I need to be reminded so I don't spoil anything.

edited 27th Jan '17 10:20:28 PM by HandsomeRob

Actually, I think Irisviel is kind of morally worthless. She doesn't even understand Kiritsugu's goals or anything but just blindly follows him anyway. She has no agency or opinions of her own.

Anyway, I have to say Sereg I'm surprised you'd approve of Kiritsugu given his betrayal, cold blooded murder, adultery, lack of remorse and numerous other flaws.

Also, I don't actually dislike Sayaka herself, I dislike the way the story craps all over her. Although her suicidal depression over not getting the hunky boy is kind of absurd.

No, no don't worry I watched the entire show. Its just my memeory can get groggy and so I got worried that I forgot something when I couldn't understand what you meant by the shed.

Also wasn't his problem the fact he accidentally killed an entire island full of people and found out his dad is a Grade-A cunt that drove him over the edge, not just his old friends death right?

Also his bad relationship with Saber, heheh.

edited 27th Jan '17 10:27:15 PM by slimcoder

I mean, wasn't that also partially because she found out what magical girls actually are, or am I confusing her for Kyoko?

Yeah she was in despair over the fact that she became a Lich. The boy troubles was just the straw that broke the camels back.