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#776: May 25th 2015 at 9:33:29 AM

The conditions in the J-anime industry are emblematic of Japanese industry as a whole. Sclerotic is a very good word to describe Japan as a whole. Since Abe's re-election in 2012, there has been at least a spirit of revitalization in the country, but it still takes a lot of effort to get entrenched practices to change. So it will be with anime, which has been running an iffy business model for some time now.

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#777: May 25th 2015 at 9:49:37 AM

I find the line about Japan being the center of animation laughable.

Hás Anno payed any attention to Warner Bros, Disney, Pixar and their ilk? Or heck, any part of the Western market?

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#778: May 25th 2015 at 9:52:59 AM

[up] Possibly not. And that is part of their problem. Catering to what is a small sub-section of the market, even in Japan. International sales are rarely thought about, let alone catered for at the production stage.

edited 25th May '15 9:53:36 AM by Greenmantle

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#779: May 25th 2015 at 10:21:57 AM

[up]...that explains só much about Toei's handling of Saint Seiya.

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#780: May 25th 2015 at 10:39:28 AM

Certainly the center for non-CG animation anymore, though. Good as Frozen was, it was originally going to be traditionally animated. The West keeps the art form in CG.

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#781: May 25th 2015 at 10:50:53 AM

[up]Yes, but even before the emergency of CG the Western market was dominated by the companies I brought up and several others.

And not just in movies but also in TV serieases.

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#782: May 25th 2015 at 11:43:12 AM

Notice the source is AFP

But yeah, of all weird things Japan could do this is the most cringe worthy. Will this stop overwork, or make it even worse?

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#783: May 25th 2015 at 11:56:11 AM

[up]Probably the latter, considered how much their corporate culture depends on the appearance of work in addition to actual work.

I remember a story about how workers at a Western company were advised by their fellow workers to leave a coat on their office chairs to convince the roaming managers that they were merely someplace else when they had actually gone home at a reasonable hour. I wonder if that's been tried in Japan.

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#784: May 25th 2015 at 12:06:53 PM

[up] I am not sure if that might work considering Japan's work ethic but I could be wrong though.

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#785: May 25th 2015 at 12:56:43 PM

[up][up][up]Rather than eliminating overtime pay, they should make 150% overtime pay mandatory. Then you better believe corporations will do everything they can to limit their worker's hours.

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#786: May 25th 2015 at 12:59:10 PM

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#787: May 25th 2015 at 2:56:36 PM

[up][up] There we go. That's how it works in the US.

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#788: May 25th 2015 at 3:14:58 PM

[up] Japan has really good ethic.....sort of.

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#789: May 25th 2015 at 3:24:38 PM

Japan has a very strong ethic. Too strong, in many cases.

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#790: May 26th 2015 at 1:02:00 AM

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#791: May 26th 2015 at 1:19:41 AM

People die when they work too hard, sleep too little, and have an unbalanced diet.

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#792: May 26th 2015 at 2:06:34 AM

[up] That latter two describes me best while the hard work part is questionable. sad

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#793: May 26th 2015 at 9:58:16 AM

It doesn't work with salaried employees in the U.S. One of the only benefits of being hourly is that you either get rewarded for working more than 40 hours, or your boss takes pains to make sure you don't have to work overtime. Win/win. With salaried workers, getting the job done is what counts, whether that takes 25 hours or 80 hours a week.

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#794: May 27th 2015 at 2:14:35 AM

Japan has a very strong ethic. Too strong, in many cases.

It does get results though. I doubt Blade of the Immortal, Vagabond, Vinland Saga, Pluto, and other such lushly illustrated and well-plotted comics would exist without that single-minded and almost spiritual devotion to craft some of these people have.

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#795: May 27th 2015 at 6:07:44 AM

I notice the conspicuous absence of Berserk from that list. It's a pretty strong counterexample. Miura has the work ethics of a Dostoievski or a Balzac.

edited 27th May '15 6:10:23 AM by TheHandle

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#796: May 27th 2015 at 6:10:59 AM

[up][up] Could you at least name something decent... tongue

Anyway on the opposite end of the spectrum would be the scribbles of Hiatus x Hiatus.

edited 27th May '15 6:15:31 AM by Memers

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#797: May 27th 2015 at 6:31:42 AM

I find it unlikely that anything revolutionary will come out of the anime industry for a while, unless they go into something that's an alien concept to the Japanese mind.

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#798: May 27th 2015 at 6:33:25 AM

Such as actually aiming for an international audience, the way Koreans do?

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#799: May 27th 2015 at 6:37:50 AM

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As long as they don't put romantic sub-plots in everything. I despise them.

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#800: May 27th 2015 at 7:42:00 AM

I'm fine wtih those as long as they make sense and are done well.

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