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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#151: Jun 13th 2014 at 6:15:05 PM

[up] If even within the CCP there is not a culture of following process and rule of law how can there be a culture of rule of law within the country it rules? Just shows, doesn't it?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#153: Jun 13th 2014 at 11:29:29 PM

Methinks that Japan is trying to having it both ways: No population shrinkage but also no immigration. Can't have it both ways, folks.

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KBSL Since: Mar, 2013 Relationship Status: Forming Voltron
#154: Jun 14th 2014 at 12:08:22 AM

[up]Well, they probably could if more young people had more kids, but many people in their twenties have several, rather understandable reasons for not doing that. We even had thread about it.

edited 14th Jun '14 12:10:19 AM by KBSL

editerguy from Australia Since: Jan, 2013 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#155: Jun 14th 2014 at 12:48:58 AM

[up]Patterns of birthrates in developed nations like Japan mean their population will shrink without immigration. It's a general trend.

As a matter of contrast, Taiwan has a similar problem and is trying to attract more migrants.

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#156: Jun 14th 2014 at 1:11:41 AM

[up]I know it's a general problem in the developed world, a probably that could probably be solved (or at least slowed down) if more young people had kids and had more than just one kid. The fact that that probably won't happen doesn't mean it isn't a hypothetical solution.

edited 14th Jun '14 1:12:43 AM by KBSL

Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#157: Jun 14th 2014 at 4:04:50 AM

Never mind that Japanese immigration policy is strictly controlled to preserve their genetic heritage from immigration and stuff.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#158: Jun 14th 2014 at 6:58:35 AM

[up][up]We could always stop educating the women-folk. /joking, please don't kill me.

More seriously, having kids in developed countries is freaking expensive. It's one of the hallmarks of a developed country.

demarquis (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#159: Jun 14th 2014 at 11:52:17 AM

The reason married couples in developed nations stop having so many children is because raising children becomes more expensive. It doesnt make economic sense to have too many.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#160: Jun 14th 2014 at 11:57:15 AM

It's a bit more complex than that, but it's also getting off the thread topic a bit.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#161: Jun 15th 2014 at 12:09:12 AM

We talked about this back in "Sexism in anime," but could Japan's population and work ethic problems be chalked up to sexism, given the fact we mentioned in Sexism in anime that women are told to be stay-at-home housewives, and are treated harshly for working while having a child. Long story short, pregnancy = career suicide.

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#162: Jun 15th 2014 at 2:08:36 AM

Sexism is just part of the problem. Given a choice, many women (not just in Japan) would choose to have a career over being a housewife. I remember reading an article about how Japanese (or was it Korean) men in the rural areas had to import brides from other countries because their women would rather go to cities.

The Scandivanian countries seemed to have managed to buck this trend by generous paternity leaves so that men should better share childcare and housekeeping with their wives.

In any case, I have like no choice but to sorta be relax about it, because it's better for third-world countries if the rich countries decide to solve their low birth problem problem with immigration rather than with gender equality. Of course, there's the brain drain problem but fortunately - my country is in the tropics and most people tend to want to retire in the tropics.

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HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#165: Jun 21st 2014 at 11:56:22 PM

[up] Coming out of the "illegal gambling" article just now and I've got this to ask: Isn't gambling legal in Macau?

entropy13 わからない from Somewhere only we know. Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Drift compatible
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#166: Jun 22nd 2014 at 12:02:12 AM

[up]Certain kinds of gambling are legal in Macau, but not all of them.

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Ominae (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#168: Jun 22nd 2014 at 7:12:03 AM

[up][up] But why illegalize sports gambling?

kayeka Since: Dec, 2009
#169: Jun 22nd 2014 at 7:51:29 AM

[up]if I were to take a wild guess, because the stakes were too high. Many countries place limits on stakes.

nightwyrm_zero Since: Apr, 2010
#170: Jun 22nd 2014 at 7:51:58 AM

[up][up]There's legalized gambling establishments and companies and there's the black market ones which don't pay taxes.

edited 22nd Jun '14 7:52:10 AM by nightwyrm_zero

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#171: Jun 22nd 2014 at 7:56:49 AM

[up]X4 The Daily Mail is not a legit new source, I'd advise you hold out for an actual news organisation to pick the story up before believing anything.

edited 22nd Jun '14 7:57:05 AM by SilasW

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#172: Jun 22nd 2014 at 8:00:26 AM

Via the WSJ.

Just in case anyone has paywall issues, because I know I've run into it in the past:

SEOUL—The South Korean military sought to persuade a soldier who killed five of his comrades in a shooting rampage to surrender late Sunday as an armed standoff unfolded close to the North Korean border.

South Korean army soldiers search for a soldier who is on the run after a shooting incident in Goseong on Sunday. Associated Press The soldier fired multiple shots at troops that surrounded him earlier in the day, hitting one officer in the arm, a defense ministry official said.

While on his way back to his barracks Saturday, the soldier, a sergeant in his early 20s, threw a grenade that exploded and opened fire on other soldiers for reasons that remain unclear, the official said.

The attack at a guard post in northeastern Gangwon province also injured seven others, all of whom are all expected to live, according to the ministry. The soldier fled the scene and was sought by troops. As day broke, helicopters scanned the densely forested countryside in an intense manhunt.

Civilians were told to take refuge in nearby schools and roadblocks were set up to stop the soldier from heading for towns to the south. The military also tightened its watch on the border to counter any attempt by the soldier to defect to North Korea.

On Sunday afternoon, the soldier was cornered in a forested area about 10 kilometers from his base near the town of Goseong, and a brief exchange of fire followed.

As night fell, a tense standoff set in. Officials said one of the soldier's parents had joined an effort to persuade him to surrender. Local media reported that a "shoot to kill" order was given if the soldier didn't give himself up. The defense ministry declined to confirm the reported order.

The defense ministry said the soldier was due to be discharged in September and had a surname most commonly Romanized as "Lim." South Korea's 650,000-member military is largely conscription-based, with all able-bodied men required to serve for about two years.

In a regular personality test in April last year, the sergeant had been categorized as needing "special attention," meaning he was considered at high risk of attempting suicide or causing accidents, according to the ministry. Such soldiers aren't allowed to serve near the inter-Korean border.

Another test in November last year showed an improvement, and the soldier was recategorized as needing "focused attention," meaning that with sufficient help from others, he was considered apt for general duties, the ministry said. Soldiers in this category can serve at outposts near the border.

Guard posts near the border have a reputation for being some of the most tense areas for soldiers to be stationed. Tens of thousands of troops from both Koreas are amassed in the area, and cross-border firefights have broken out in the past.

South Korean troops also have turned their weapons on their fellow soldiers. In 2011, a South Korean marine went on a shooting spree inside an island base near the inter-Korean border, killing four. In 2005, a South Korean soldier threw a grenade into a bunk house at a base near the border where other soldiers were sleeping, killing eight.

The incidents also highlighted a long-running problem in the South Korean military of hazing of soldiers by their seniors. In both cases, the attackers claimed to have been bullied.

Following the 2011 incident, Seoul responded by issuing a ban on beating, humiliation and cruelty in the armed forces.

The defense ministry issued a statement of apology for the latest incident, saying it will conduct a thorough investigation.

edited 22nd Jun '14 8:03:02 AM by chi_mangetsu

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#173: Jun 22nd 2014 at 8:08:21 AM

Weirdly, this thread already passed through this issue (you can see it from the posts above)...

Japan’s Women Told to Breed, Not Lead

“Hey idiot, hurry up and get married!”

Japan is up in arms about insensitive and sexist remarks made by male members of The Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly (the equivalent of a U.S. State Government Assembly) toward a female representative during her presentation earlier this week. She was speaking on issues of raising children in Japan.

Ayaka Shiomura, a 36-year-old member of the opposition Your Party, called for the Tokyo metropolitan government to support women who need assistance while pregnant or raising children during a June 18 assembly session. She also suggested that the government should help Japanese women who have fertility issues to conceive children.

Japan is wrestling with a declining birth rate and growing elderly population. It has one of the lowest fertility rates in the world.

While she was speaking, men in the section for the ruling Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) began jeering at her with lines like: “Hey you, should hurry up and get married!” and “Can’t you have babies?”

Shiomura continued to speak even though she had to choke back tears at one point. After the session, Minoru Morozumi, the secretary-general of Your Party’s assembly members, lodged a protest with his LDP counterpart, Osamu Yoshiwara.

Osamu Yoshiwara told the press that he wasn’t in a position to confirm whether or not it was a member of his party who yelled out the comments, but he asked assembly members to behave in a “in a dignified manner.”

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chi_mangetsu Not a Tree from brink of the universe Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: One True Dodecahedron
Not a Tree
#174: Jun 22nd 2014 at 8:13:22 AM

[up] Oof, ninja'd. While it's really not all that surprising that those things were said, what was surprising is that these guys interrupted her to show how big of dickheads they could be. Then again, all-out brawls aren't terribly uncommon in most parliaments around the world, so I guess it progress that she wasn't also physically attacked?

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#175: Jun 22nd 2014 at 8:43:37 AM

On the Macau gambling story keep in mind that while it's nowhere near as bad as in Mao's day the law in China is still pretty much whatever the government says it is.

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