China and their Falun Gong obsession is once again in the news. In a different way.
edited 25th Nov '15 11:48:46 AM by TerminusEst
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You know, stuff like this is why I stopped taking the Chinese government serious. I mean, they're basically "Insecurity - the government".
edited 25th Nov '15 12:07:33 PM by DrunkenNordmann
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At this point, the Falun Gong persecution is essentially principle, along with Tibet and Xinjiang. The 610 Office did expand its operations to take on other "dangerous cults", meaning Christians, Buddhists, Muslims etc.
With the Falun though, they were just a scapegoat for Jiang Zemin. While I suspect that some elements of the Chinese Communist Party would be glad to stop bothering them, it can't be done quietly. The CCP must seem infallible, so they can't just stop it.
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The sad thing is that she will be remembered as some kind of whore and the Falun Gong will ether be forgotten, or labeled alongside the Church of scientology. The CCP is becoming the World's Superpower, and with that they can force everyone to write their history the way China wants it written, especially if they can get a taste of that "One Belt One Road" and "New Silk Road" money (on a completely different topic am I the only one who pukes inside upon hearing those dam terms.)
Edit: And the British company caving doesn't surprise me at all, both the UK government and private sector have shown themselves to be Beijing's lapdogs.
Edit 2: And speaking of China taking over the world They now have a base in Africa.
edited 25th Nov '15 1:05:11 PM by JackOLantern1337
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Money, Dear Boy. Just as its always been.
And as for that African Base:
That’s the most probable use for a Chinese military presence in Djibouti as well. China has been taking part in international anti-piracy operations in the Gulf of Aden since 2008, yet without a permanent base in the area, its ships are forced to use temporary docking arrangements in Djibouti. Setting up a logistics hub (as Rodriguez described it) would allow China to service the ships that are already regularly deployed to the region. It would also likely allow China to still claim it doesn’t have any overseas bases, because its military facilities in Djibouti would be aimed at resupply and logistical support.
It's likely to be a logistics base for anti-piracy operations that everybody has in that part of the world.
edited 25th Nov '15 1:08:41 PM by Greenmantle
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Right, it's hardly China taking over the world just because they have a base in Africa.
There was something about this awhile ago on the BBC:
This extends to warding off pirate attacks on the crucial trade routes between the Indian Ocean and the South China Sea.
Chinese nationals working on infrastructure projects in the region would also benefit from the proximity of a military base in the region.
Hundreds were recently evacuated from war-torn Yemen, as well as from Libya in 2011 as violence escalated.
But the Americans are not convinced that Beijing does not have ulterior motives.
The US pays $63m annually in rent for its base and the Chinese will bring in $100m for theirs, in addition to their ongoing infrastructure projects so it is not difficult to see why Djibouti is looking past the rivalries of the global powers and enjoying its lucrative role as their landlord.
You keep bringing up variations of this theme with nothing to back it up. How will China control the way every country writes its history?
edited 25th Nov '15 5:25:07 PM by editerguy
The best way to yank China's chain and put it on the spot is to play the North Korea card.
X-post from Global Terrorism thread:
China's pissed that Daesh recognises Taiwan
Well, that seems rather petty. That's basically the proverbial jaywalking when listed with all the other despicable deeds those people keep themselves busy with.
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Buy up all the publishing companies, threaten to stop trading with countries that offend them etc. Or just do what other countries like Japan or Israel do when we teach history that offends them, only with much more money to back them up.
You're using hyperbole, right? Anyway, I think China is too boring and unimaginative to get very far with that approach. Last time I read Xinhua it was like watching paint dry.
edited 26th Nov '15 3:49:26 AM by editerguy
Well of course ISIS is going to recognize Taiwan as an enemy if Taiwan is part of the coalition against it while mainland China is on the sidelines clamping down on the Uyghers in Xinjiang. (Kosovo is also in the coalition and Serbia doesn't mind.) Would PRC feel better if it was labeled "China" instead of "Taiwan"? Recognizing only the ROC is fully consistent with the One-China Policy PRC loves to claim...
The tone of that article is also very biased. It seems to be written by someone that doesn't know the full history.
It's CNBC, so they almost certainly don't know the full history. Daesh considers PRC to be part of the anti-ISIS coalition, along with Taiwan.
It's an interesting political time in Taiwan. The current administration has grown closer to the PRC, which many people don't like. So the next administration, might be the highly independence oriented DPP.
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-snip- Wrong thread.
edited 26th Nov '15 2:52:08 PM by AlleyOop
China's 'Belt and Road' Reaches Europe:
For China, Central and Eastern Europe represents its “bridge to Europe” (although individual countries in the region might vie over holding that title for themselves). That’s true in both a political and logistical sense. Diplomatically, China hopes that building up better relations with the CEE states, most of whom are also members of the European Union, can help push forward its overall relations with the EU. Logistically, meanwhile, Central and Eastern Europe will play a crucial role in making sure China’s “Silk Road Economic Belt” reaches its final destination: Western Europe.
As Li put it in his remarks at the summit, “Located at the east gateway to Europe and along the routes of the Belt and Road initiative, CEE Cs enjoy a distinct advantage for enhancing connectivity.” China wants to work with these states “to build the China-Europe land-sea express line and promote connectivity in Europe.”
With that in mind, it’s no surprise that the China-CEE summit placed a heavy emphasis on infrastructure building. Xinhua, in its summary of the summit, even spoke of “infrastructure-led all-round cooperation” between China and the CEE states. Although it’s received far less attention than China’s offer to build up infrastructure at the other end of the “Belt and Road” (in Central and Southeast Asia, for example), China is also making a bid to help construct railways, roads, and ports in Europe. Li even took the 16 visiting state leaders on a high-speed train ride to demonstrate China’s capabilities.
The main deals that came out of the summit, and the various bilaterals held on the sidelines, were also related to infrastructure. China signed deals with both Hungary and Serbia to build a high-speed rail line between their respective capitals, Budapest and Belgrade, a project first discussed in 2013. Li said that construction will begin before the end of the year, and is slated to be completed by 2017. Xinhua described the new railway as “a fast lane for [the] import and export of products between China and Europe.”
The Hungary-Serbia high-speed railway will be just one part of a larger project, the “land-sea express passage” linking China and Europe that Li mentioned in his remarks. According to a statement from the Chinese government, “This express passage extends from the Piraeus Port of Greece in the south to Budapest of Hungary in the north via Skopje of Macedonia and Belgrade of Serbia.” Though Greece is not part of the China-CEE summit, leaders from the other three European state on the route – Hungary, Macedonia, and Serbia – met with Li and agreed to work together on the project.
Li also announced that China will invest in constructing and upgrading port facilities in the Baltic, Adriatic, and Black Seas. While he did not name any specific ports, Li said that “Croatia, Slovenia, Poland, Latvia and Bulgaria have proposed to strengthen cooperation on port development.” The projects will focus on “production capacity cooperation among the ports and industrial parks of the coastal areas of the Adriatic Sea, the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea,” Li said, adding that China expects “our companies to be the main players in these projects.”
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Japan to resume whaling in Antarctic despite court ruling For Scientific purposes of course. And now obligatory South Park reference.
edited 28th Nov '15 5:51:26 AM by JackOLantern1337
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... What exactly is stopping the world powers that were party to the international moratorium on whaling enacted in the 80s from stationing a couple of naval ships per country to enforce the damn moratorium?
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Nobody actually cares and doesn't want to waste time and money?
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Can't this issue be brought up to the court system in Japan?
Remember, it's officially "whaling research". It's not illegal in Japan, and it happens on Japanese and international waters. Which is why the Taiji dolphin hunt hasn't been banned either.
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But wouldn't the courts be able to say that the government actions are contravene to a treaty Japan ratified?
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Cases don't go Courts in Japan unless they're certain they'll win.
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Theoretically the Supreme Court of Japan could do that. But they never will. The Supreme Court does not under any circumstances want to be involved with politics. Which is why they never rule anything (some agricultural thing once), even if they have the explicit right to.
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So...do they actually do anything then? Or are they largely ceremonial?
Nice to see the fiddy cents rushing to defend the PRC on the comments.
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