CW's Flash

It's been mentioned before, but people actually like Iris, they just don't want her to get together with Barry. Personally, I could live with that (though I'm a Barry/Caitlin shipper and love the actress they got for Linda), so long as they don't turn Eddie into an asshole to do it. We haven't seen much of the relationship Barry and Eddie have, but they've been pretty brotherly, and Eddie's even warming up to the Flash. Since Eddie was introduced as "that pretty-boy dick," I'm just worried that's the route they're going. I hate that route.

One of the things I like about Grodd's stinger, and how Grodd is being handled as a major villain like Reverse Flash was, but at the same time taking their time to build him up while the show focuses its current plotlines. They're balancing both Grodd's villain cred and the fact that the plot isn't currently about him in the slightest very well.

Grodd's references don't have the same frequency or importance to the plot as RF's or Firestorm's, but they do have the same kind of severity. Which is good, because it feels like even though he's not really in the plot right now they're still not diminishing him.

It does make me wonder when the Grodd is going to hit the fan, though. Is he going to be set up as a kind of "big surprise" that Wells had for Barry and get the big fight this season? Is he going to make an intro appearance in this season like the midseason finale did for Reverse Flash, but really become an arc villain in the second season? Will he hijack one of the other plots (I've been wondering whether either Reverse Flash or Grodd will hijack the Rogues plot at some point). So many questions...

You know, I really wonder what the timeline would have been like without Wells. The show seems to be going a Stable Time Loop route, but if Wells hadn't murdered Nora, or gotten Caitlin, Cisco, Ronnie, and Hartley together- or created a few supervillains- the timeline would have been very interesting. Especially since there had to be a way Barry got his powers for Wells to know about the Flash before Wells traveled back in time.

If Cisco and Iris hang out, they could be platonic. Although speaking of relationships, I hate the 'Nice Guy' dialogue Barry had this ep which erases his previous characterization of being friends with and helping Iris because he likes her as a friend as much as he has a crush on her, instead of helping her because he hopes she reciprocates his crush eventually. Makes his whole relationship with Iris sound fake on his end.

I'm thinking that they'll slowly build him up and then introduce him in the finale as the Big Bad for Season 2.

I'm just sad that Grodd's origin makes Gorilla city an unlikely scenario.

I wanted it to be a thing so that they could drop Oliver Queen there and I could watch him try to maintain his Nolan Batman act in the middle of a city of talking Gorillas.

Problem with ah gorilla city is that it would take expensive CGI or a lot of people in costumes and on a television budget, neither will be very convincing.

Besides, the Grodd thing legitimately freaked me out. I thought it was going to be another Firestorm thing because I totally forgot about Grodd.

Grodd is probably going to be awesome but I wonder what the general public will think. Hopefully they can take him seriously.

So when do we get the scene where Felicity wears suds?

Beyond the CGI I think they might be worried that an entire invisible city of talking gorillas might be too "comic booky" even for this show.

Plus I liked how they introduced him. It freaked me out.

@comicwriter, I kind of thought that explanation was implied by the tone and style of The Flash and Arrow shows. It's world is a little too "real" for that kind of thing. I was providing another logical explanation some may not have considered immediately.

From my feeling, in order for a series to properly ramp up the "comic book silliness" you need to complete the trifecta of "Badass Normals-Super Science-Magic". When you have all three then anything is possible in a universe.

When he was first introduced, RF's time travel plot was stable - he had always travelled back in time, and in doing so he ensured his own origin. Then it started to get more and more convoluted, to the point where he has actively changed history from something it was before in order to insure his own origin, which doesn't a great deal of sense.

Who the heck knows how it works in this show. They already kind of screwed up the mechanics of time travel for the sake of drama in the Blackout episode.

Yeah, it's kind of a shame that characters like Solovar are probably going to be unlikely. Unless they do a thing where Grodd enhances other gorillas in the same way he was enhanced and creates Gorilla City.

I hope so too. Though when it comes to Grodd, DC's tends to treat him with respect - and their general approach in the comics to avoid making him be too much a joke tends to be by making him brutal, very effective and actually kind of scary, which seems to be extending to here.

It's kind of the opposite of Marvel's problem with M.O.D.O.K. - they counter the inevitable jokes by making him such a Knight of Cerebus that he's difficult not to take seriously.

edited 4th Feb '15 11:29:36 AM by KnownUnknown

We are going to be getting Magic with the Vixen CW Seed series.

The Flash and Arrow will show up and they said it is possible for her to show up on either Arrow or The Flash. Only problem is Vixen will be animated so they have to choose a voice actress that could potentially play her in Live Action.

Danai Gurira?

What dialogue was that? To be he seemed to still be helping Iris even though he's actually starting to move on.

I think its less "he's helping her because he hopes that will make her love him" and more "He'll help her if she's down, but he might still hope it will kindle more".

The hoping for love is not the motivation for helping her, its simply a side effect of it which is emotional and self-admittedly irrational. You can't simply shut off feelings...

A "real" "Nice Guy" would help her purely for the hope of romance. I think that's a important distinction.

A good sign for that is that Barry still helped Iris with a story on the Flash despite deciding to move on and going on a date with Linda.

edited 4th Feb '15 3:45:42 PM by 3of4

That corresponds to Courage-Power-Wisdom respectively.

The Triforce is everywhere!

So, yeah, that "You deserve a peek" line was pretty fucked up.

Okay, so my brother and I watched the latest episode without knowing what the real name of the villain of the week was. When Cate named her Peek-A-Boo, we legitimately thought it was not her real codename, only a simple example of how terrible Cate is when it comes to names and how only Cisco should do that.

Then as it happens, she really is called Peek-A-Boo. Figures.

Still, there is no way someone like Cate can come with Killer Frost on her own. This one will be on Cisco.

I'm pretty sure it was supposed to be.

Eh, I was just weary of the whole 'I keep on helping her hoping that this time it will be different' dialogue, and how he stopped over to help Iris with her article while she was walking out to go on a date with Eddie without any mention of Barry mixing up times or whatever. Might be me overreacting, might be something to it.

And yeah, I hope the 'You deserve a peek' line was Caitlin's feelings for Barry coming out in a drunken manner. That is the only way it can really be justified at all.

Hey, if Flash gets good ratings and a good budget for future seasons, who knows what's possible in terms of Gorilla City? And if the writers are up to snuff, could be awesome.

Of course that's what it was. Half the episode was Barry/Caitlin Ship Tease, even if you argue that it's purely from the Caitlin side (which I disagree with, but that's not the point). It was a stupid, drunken attempt to flirt. Barry, thankfully, was too much of a gentleman to react to it; he just kind of gave a smile that said "I'll do us both a favor and never mention this again."

Eh, there were better ways for the writers to have Caitlin not-so-subtly say "Hey Barry, we should bone" than to take a page directly from the Nice Guy 101 playbook.

I know we were supposed to be like "Go sleep Caitlin you're drunk" but of all the possible ways that line could've been written they possibly picked the worst one.

edited 5th Feb '15 1:50:11 AM by Mars444

I hope Mark Hamill gets to deliver a good maniacal laugh or two as The Trickster, for old times' sake. He really is a master of it, and somehow I doubt he'll be able to do anything like that in The Force Awakens.

edited 5th Feb '15 12:54:05 AM by KnownUnknown

In Barry's defense, he actually is a sincerely nice person. It's not just an act to get into a woman's pants. I seriously believe that he didn't use his super speed to peek. It's like how Superman never uses his x-ray vision to be a Peeping Tom.

I got that Cate has some admiration for Barry, but to me it really looks like a crush light enough for both of them to continue with their friendship without it ever being a burden. It's far from the Barry-to-Iris standards. Plus, Cate was unbelievably drunk and her being drunk was a reaction to Cisco and Barry saying she had no (love) life. Of course there would be some tease, but I would definitely not read anything beyond that. People say stupid things when they are drunk, and it's far from always the truth.

Aaaand to top that Barry did get a date during that same episode. So I will simply see that as some kind of bonding, and I hope Barry and Cate stay that way too. No need for more unrequited love on that show, honestly.

edited 5th Feb '15 4:54:14 AM by Julep