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Julep Since: Jul, 2010
#14376: Dec 5th 2017 at 9:35:26 PM

It's a tossup between Flash and Legends on who'd have the idea to make such an episode.

Ellowen My Ao3 from Down by the Bay Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#14377: Dec 5th 2017 at 11:05:19 PM

There is a Sacred bond between two kidnap victims that come up with a plan, silently, havingknown each other for like ten minutes, and I feel betrayed that the writers broke that bond. at least amunet's still around. i far prefer her to any Devoe (I still have money on mrs. Devoe being the real big bad)

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#14378: Dec 6th 2017 at 1:21:23 AM

I'm just glad this season doesn't seem to be giving us another Love Interest Of The Season for Caitlin.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
ArthurEld Since: May, 2014
#14379: Dec 6th 2017 at 2:20:30 AM

I would have liked to see Felton stick around, but he's a busy guy and probably only ever could, or would want to, commit to a single season. At least for a show he wasn't the star off.

Ellowen My Ao3 from Down by the Bay Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#14380: Dec 6th 2017 at 6:49:44 AM

Dom is the first person since Ronnie that seemed to be set up as a Love interest for Caitlin that I was like " hmm, yeah, I can be ok with this" and then this bs. sigh.

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deuteragonist Since: Dec, 2013
#14381: Dec 6th 2017 at 8:43:34 AM

[up][up]It doesn't help that his character wasn't exactly well-written or popular, so he really had no reason to be invested in the franchise. Julian was a bit of a mess.

edited 6th Dec '17 8:44:12 AM by deuteragonist

Cross (Don’t ask)
#14382: Dec 6th 2017 at 9:37:29 PM

Thinking about how Barry was setup and while the parallel with his dad is definitely there, maybe it connects back to his first case though that might be unintentional.

Ellowen My Ao3 from Down by the Bay Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#14383: Dec 7th 2017 at 6:57:56 AM

the fingerprints on the knife aren't going to be consistent with a stabbing people grip, but that didn't stop them from arresting Henry even though he'd been knocked out by the home invader. watch this never get brought up.

it's a shame Dom won't get his body back in the next episode or sooner because wouldn't that be a fun surprise witness. " yeah the dead history professor apparently forgot the whole 'slavery has been illegal for a while now' thing because he /bought/ me"

edited 7th Dec '17 7:10:52 AM by Ellowen

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#14384: Dec 7th 2017 at 8:53:18 AM

Remember that the knife Barry got came in a box designed for two knives, but only had one in it. That one was still in the box, while the other was in Devoe's former body. I think the idea is that, if Barry has his fingerprints on one of the two knives, then people are unlikely to believe he didn't own the other, matching knife, too. The absence of fingerprints on the actual murder weapon knife can be attributed to people not always leaving legible fingerprints on things they touch, or to Barry trying to wipe his prints off the knife before the police got there.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#14385: Dec 7th 2017 at 10:06:33 AM

So why didn't Barry just use his speed to move the body and then claim to be somewhere else?

I mean, there's a reason everyone is always telling you to run Barry. This is one of those times you should have been listening.

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#14386: Dec 7th 2017 at 10:28:12 AM

I wondered that as well. I guess it's just because Barry is too polite to deviate from a villain's master plan before the last phase. tongue

edited 7th Dec '17 10:28:22 AM by Eagal

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#14387: Dec 7th 2017 at 10:45:11 AM

Best guess, Barry was thought about the possibility of Devoe having something worse up his sleeve if he did. We see him about to do something until he told himself "Don't run".

edited 7th Dec '17 10:45:37 AM by Cross

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#14388: Dec 7th 2017 at 11:03:39 AM

Even with superspeed he might not be able to get rid of all the forensic evidence; all it takes is one spatter of blood he missed. And an apartment where someone was killed but the body was removed and the evidence imperfectly cleaned up would probably look more suspicious.

edited 7th Dec '17 11:03:58 AM by RavenWilder

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#14389: Dec 8th 2017 at 6:44:19 AM

Why is Eobard!Thawne on Earth-X?

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#14390: Dec 8th 2017 at 6:49:06 AM

Even he doesn't know. But I'd say just to be a pain in the ass.

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Ellowen My Ao3 from Down by the Bay Since: Aug, 2013 Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#14391: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:02:11 AM

because the writers don't love us. they asked " what are the worst things we can do with this crossover?" and did them all.

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Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#14392: Dec 8th 2017 at 7:05:25 AM

Ah. I figured.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#14393: Dec 8th 2017 at 8:40:13 AM

Because Thawne and Darhk have to take over for Malcolm Merlyn in terms of 'unkillable Villain Sue'.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#14394: Dec 8th 2017 at 9:28:35 AM

But they both actually died!

At least Malcolm's excuse was that people wouldn't kill him. Those guys just won't stay dead.

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Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#14395: Dec 8th 2017 at 9:40:32 AM

Eh, during the S1 finale the guy was stabbed in the heart and bled out on the floor, even losing consciousness.

To be fair, yeah, what Darhk and ESPECIALLY Thawne do is much more aggravating, but still, they are all one and the same in that category. It was really fitting that they teamed up in Legends Season 2.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#14396: Dec 8th 2017 at 10:53:22 AM

To be fair to Thawne, there is explicitly plot involving him set up in the first two seasons that hasn’t happened yet.

IMO, Thawne is a significantly better use of the enduring archenemy concept than either Darhk or Merlyn. He doesn’t hijack plots, he doesn’t constantly screw over the protagonists while they do nothing about it, which helps his enmity with Barry retain interest: he just shows up occasionally and then disappears, as a recurring enemy should. Like the Joker, he cheats death, but he’s not back in the next episode doing the exact same thing: rather, he only shows up on major occasions.

He’s only had two arcs centered around him, on two different series. In contrast to both Merlyn and Darhk, both of whom have a serious “well he worked once, so he has be a major focus of every single season over and over!” vibe going on.

edited 8th Dec '17 10:55:09 AM by KnownUnknown

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Cross (Don’t ask)
#14397: Dec 8th 2017 at 12:17:09 PM

At this point I'm pretty sure the Speedforce just spits out Eobards just to screw with Barry.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
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#14398: Dec 8th 2017 at 12:36:19 PM

But then again, why bother sending the Black Flash after him in the first place?

edited 8th Dec '17 12:36:29 PM by Forenperser

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#14399: Dec 8th 2017 at 12:38:41 PM

It's an unstable, bipolar force of nature.

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#14400: Dec 8th 2017 at 12:48:15 PM

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Speed Force wants to make it look like it does not condone the actions of Reverse Flash, but at the same time wants him around to screw with Barry just like how the Speed Force likes to screw him over any chance it gets.

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