Gotham

Also they weren't really that much worse than their neighbors.

Everyone was an asshole back then. Rome was just the most successful asshole.

History in a nutshell.

This show reminds me quite a bit about all the numerous police brutality cases that have been in the news for the past however long. I wonder how far they're prepared to take that.

Police brutality doesn't exist in Gotham. I hope that answers your question.

I'm weirded out by how every time they mention Mario Pepper's death they talk as if they accidentally murdered the guy... even though he shot at them and was coming at Gordon with a knife when Bullock shot him. Thats probably one of the least corrupt things Bullock has done in the last few years of his career.

I assume the only reason Gordon was okay with Pepper's death is because he thought he killed the Waynes.

Gordon, at first, thought the kill was legitimate: they went to catch a killer, he ran away from his home, and got shot when he threatened the life of a cop.

But if Pepper is not a killer, then they had no reason to pursue him, and in return he had no reason whatsoever to try to kill one of them which leads to his death. Hence why Gordon is not OK with that. And being lauded for something he did not actually do (catch the Wayne's killer).

edited 12th Oct '14 3:05:37 AM by Julep

I'm pretty sure it's still legit for the cops to return fire if a suspect shoots at them, even if the suspect didn't do the thing they suspect him of doing.

If nothing else the dude is guilty of attempted murder for shooting at cops, he chose to try and kill them. Resisting arrest is a crime even if you're found innocent of the thing they arrest you for, it's the same reason you can't break out of prison and commit a load of crimes to prove you were framed for the thing you were put in prison for.

Gordon not being okay with it I get, but he acts as if they'd get in serious trouble if it came out that the guy wasn't the killer, when there seems to be no actual basis for that assumption.

edited 13th Oct '14 2:01:11 AM by SilasW

Oh they would absolutely get in serious trouble. As Barbara pointed out, catching the Wayne killer was a Big Deal in the city, the mayor made promises about it and Gordan and Bullock were lauded as heroes for closing the case.

If it was found out that they knew they had the wrong guy, they'd be crucified. They be an embarassment to the political and police forces and would be hung out to dry. Add to that the frame job and it wouldn't mean a blind bit of difference if he shot at them first. Who saw that ? Gordan and Bullock, dirty cops who obviously framed him then killed him so he wouldn't talk.

Fox orders 6 more episodes of Gotham to bring the total number of episodes to a full 22 episode season.

Depends on what you mean by "getting out". If their Captain or the Mayor found out they'd get yelled at but that's as for as it would go. If the press got a hold of it them yeah, all hell would break loose.

And why is the press shown as being outside the corrupt power structure anyway? Sure doesn't work that way where I live.

There's a massive difference between massaging a story and squashing something as big as the Wayne Murderer being a frame job. The media might sit on a story in return for something juicy down the line, scandel on someone, exclusive interviews, the inside track, but there's not really much you could offer that would top that story for public interest. Media wants circulation, first and foremost.

edited 13th Oct '14 3:07:12 PM by Anteres

Watching the episode now. Talk about Genre Blind.

edited 13th Oct '14 5:06:48 PM by Eagal

This show's genre is grimcamp. Death pens are new.

This is the first time I've seen an episode of this show. I think the dramatic camera angles are giving me a headache. I'll have the check the wiki for who some of the characters are.

I wonder if the assassin is supposed to be Tally Man, or if he's unique/original.

Heh, "Arkham City."

This is the first time I've seen the actor who plays the Mayor in a non-comedy context.

edited 13th Oct '14 5:12:53 PM by KnownUnknown

Richard Kind.

My god., did Jim stop his sweep because of newspaper clippings?

edited 13th Oct '14 5:31:26 PM by Miocid

Smoochy smoochy.

In which Penguin ties off lost ends with the most obvious poison in history.

I already like Penguin (this is the first episode I've seen). Comfortably gaining power while everyone else in Gotham fights each other is one of the best things he does in the comics.

edited 13th Oct '14 5:59:54 PM by KnownUnknown

Well, being thought to be dead lets him sneak in under the radar.

Anyway, I'll say that just taking something someone hands you and looking into it when they ask you is shockingly naive. I really shouldn't feel like someone deserves to die.

Also, I don't know how Barbara and Jim started talking about Cobblepot again (since I left the room for a bit) but I can't blame him for not wanting to talk about it. Not only did she give up a huge secret already, but I'm not sure if her knowing would be the best thing for her. Then again, I'm not sure if her not knowing would be the best thing either.

Are they writing out Barbara? Whatever tension they could have had was used up in this episode itself...

They can't. She's kinda an important part of his life.

I mean, she is supposed to give him a son and all (and possibly a daughter too depending on whether Barbara is his daughter or niece).

My three favorite things about Gotham in no particular order:

1. Penguin going around being the most hilariously pathetic criminal ever.

2. Bullock. Just Bullock.

3. Watching Bruce's continuous, but slow descent into madness

(Bonus! 4. Jimmy G's wife is quite nice on the eyes.)

Yeah... I'm really not sure what they're doing with Penguin at this point. Fish and Falcone need to be dead at the end of this season, otherwise, I just can't see him becoming a major player. Dude's a psychotic dishwasher who doesn't know the meaning of stealth.

He doesn't even have an umbrella anymore.

Not really. IF he manages to get enough underlings, he may become powerful enough to reveal himself without having to fear an assassination. Especially since all mob bosses spend the entire season weakening each other.

I think it is rather obvious Penguin will kill Fish, but aside from that...