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Nobody said that, people are just speculating what caused the latest wave of Tom Taylor hate for his work at DC presumably.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Some are also worried Taylor will delve into his worst habits regarding Dick for his final arc where Dick's happy life is going to seemingly come apart thanks to Heartless.

When I got into comics, this kind of petty squabbling between characters for such stupid reasons was one of the many things people hated about modern superhero writing. In the past few years, I've seen fans who say they want this stuff back even though it never actually left. It's especially baffling to see people praise X-Men '97 for "bringing back soap opera writing to superhero adaptations" and accusing anyone who criticizes it of not being able to handle romantic conflict despite every superhero adaptation since the early 2000s being riddled with romantic conflict. Sometimes to the story's credit.

Look, before you continue, did anyone REALLY want Kory and Babs to be bitter at each other or are you just speculating?

This is important to know.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

Yes. I've seen that desire expressed by fans.

Okay, so is it relevant to that post you shared regarding people burning Tom Taylor's photo? is it related to his DC work? Is that why people are burning the photo?

Just checking if this is on topic.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Apr 15th 2024 at 1:15:17 AM

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

He lists Barbara and Kory being civil to each other as one of the (potential) reasons people don't like Taylor enough to make the effigy.

So I think it is, or at least it's one of the many excuses they might make.

One Strip! One Strip!

Right, I'll just excuse myself from this topic.

I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.

There are probably some folks who view either Babs or Kory through a Die for Our Ship lens, and come to want/expect that animosity to be reflected by their preferred romantic heroine.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

Shipping wars, the bane of many fandoms. And it might bring out a lot of the rest of the ugliness.

Wake me up at your own risk.

The Babs/Kory/Dick shipping wars are the worst, and I'm saying this as some who's a massive Dick/Kory shipper and sees Babs/Dick as nothing more than another example of Bateditorial's petty territorial behavior and the two have absolutely no chemistry or connection beyond both being Bat-characters.

Eh, I honestly miss the heyday of ship wars. At least they were kinda funny, in the days before the alt-right wasn't trying to hijack everything fandom-related...

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."

This reminds me of that story about how all the Marvel writers burned an effigy of Jim Shooter.

I assume this effigy burning of Taylor stems from him being the most high-profile writer at DC. Currently one of the main architects with his very successful Nightwing run and his Titans book being in place of the JL.

So guy has the biggest target on his back.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Damn. Like, if it was because he wrote bad stories, that would be better (not much, let me make that clear, I'm not defending these guys), but if it's just cause he's everywhere, then fuck these dudes even more.

As if it's not already bad enough they went that far.

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What happened for that to happen?

The Protomen enhanced my life.

Shooter was a very good writer and editor, but he was also known for being an authoritarian taskmaster who put a lot of pressure on writers and artists, with an emphasis on getting things out on time and efficiently no matter what, which snowballed into a lot of personal spats with said creators that led to many of them (like Marv Wolfman and George Perez) jumping ship to DC. A lot of writers at Marvel had grudges with him as result, many of which could take on downright childish dimensions.

Jim Shooter apparently learned from Mort Weisinger, who apparently got away with a lot an editor wouldn't get away with in the eighties, never mind the 21th century, and appeared to be a tyrant.

Edited by TomWithoutJerry on Apr 14th 2024 at 4:24:34 AM

Shooter ran a tight ship and made sure continuity was on point, but he was also the reason that Claremont wasn't able to go with his original plan for Mystique and Destiny being Nightcrawler's biological parents.

I think he veto'ed a lot of same sex content in comics at the time.

One Strip! One Strip!

The next phase for DC is set to be "DC All-In" and will include Scott Snyder's new all-star creative line "Absolute Comics", said here to be an attempt to do "New 52 and Rebirth right", it's DC's version of the Ultimate universe and won't affect mainline stuff.

so what New 52 should have been in the first place?

I'm A Pervert not an Asshole!

Hence the "Nu 52 done right claim"

It does have me wondering if there is an apology of Spider man as an IP, as in something that was hindered by nostalgia Induced executive meddling to this day. The Flash seemed the closest, except that Wally West's status quo was restored in full since Flash Forward it doesn't currently count.

What does an apology of Spiderman have to do with DC?

Doctor Who — Long Way Around: https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13536044/1/Doctor-Who-Long-Way-Around

...and nuked his home city of Pittsburgh. At least in-story.
...and transformed the Pittsburgh superhero he created (Star Brand) into an idiot who accidentally killed millions, then resurrected him as a creepy cultist implied to be a sex abuser.

The saga's probably more of a discussion for the Marvel thread but, yeah, he seemingly made a lot of enemies over there. John Byrne was largely responsible for the two examples above, iirc.

Like Byrne has the right to call somebody else a sex-pest. Awful, awful person.

The pig of Hufflepuff pulsed like a large bullfrog. Dumbledore smiled at it, and placed his hand on its head: "You are Hagrid now."