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True, but it is still better than them liking randomly, if not by much.

Edited by SebastianGray on Mar 12th 2024 at 9:16:41 AM

I think the issue is there wasn't any actual clapback from the heroes, even a little bit.

Luke tries to save a kid but it was actually Klarion in disguise who did it because Luke would have gotten himself killed. And all Kate does is basically bark loudly about how scary she is and refuses to side with Nocturna.

Bout the only kill was Drummer killing that demon but she doesn't give a hoot about saving anyone, being interested solely in getting the info for whatever her plans are.

So the heroes don't really accomplish any sort of substantial moral victory.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 12th 2024 at 4:24:46 AM

I am getting really tired of waller being a villain sue who no one can stop. like she killed catwoman and catwoman who had extra lives summons the power of shazam, and just breaks her desk and runs away instead of clawing her throat out. I can't wait for her to go down and I really hope its boomer who does it.

A thought I had about the Waller Saga.

So, a "super-structure" composed of multiple arcs whose driving plot thread is a shady government official trying to control superhumans, ostensibly for the greater good but really due to their own petty grudges?

Is... DC trying to do its own Dark Reign?

It certainly feels like it. Complete with it being completely ridiculous and nonsensical that the main antagonist has both managed to acquire such authority and that none of the heroes or even villains don't just kill them.

A one-panel Dark Multiverse story in "The Multiverse Who Laughs" had John Stewart becoming Parallax after what happened to Xanshi (he got it blown up out of arrogance).

Hal would empathize. XD (And I wouldn't mind seeing that as a proper What If...)

Edited by lalalei2001 on Mar 12th 2024 at 1:55:57 PM

I desperately want Absolute Power to end with some consequence with Waller.

Now as of Dream Team she's protecting sex offenders and keeping them in office under the pretense that "they are all doing them so its pointless to oust one".

At least Lex Luthor goes to jail and gets his but-kicked by Superman which is some catharsis. Meanwhile Waller can't even experience a little villainous breakdown or something.

On a funnier note, here's a really stupid moment from Dark Knights of Steel where a bunch of destitute orphans from a medieval fantasy explain the concept of democracy to prince Batman

For the record while the kingdom probably doesn't have a parliament, council's do exist so the idea of voting wouldn't even be a foreign concept to Batman

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 13th 2024 at 5:00:32 AM

Is it me or has there been a trend of steering fantasy kingdoms or equivalents thereof towards democracy of late?

Edited by kkhohoho on Mar 13th 2024 at 8:45:13 AM

Blackmailing them to ensure they vote the way she wants (I saw the "they are all doing them so its pointless to oust one" was more aimed at general political corruption than sex offender politicians), which I feel is probably more in character for Waller than some of the stuff she has been doing lately.

That's more of a third act thing and Waller's arc isn't there yet. I am looking forward to when it does happen though.

Waller in the old days wouldn't stand for this. She would actually be disgusted and want the guy dead. If she won't atans for white supremacist lobbyists then no way would she stand for assaulting kids.

It's just another example of how far the character has declined into having no moral standards of any kind.

Yeah it feels like a case of some modern writers feeling like medival stories need to be "fixed" for modern audiences.

I mean, I get it. In the really real world democracy tends to be better than traditional monarchies. It's what a lot of people are used to and many prefer it over other forms of government.

But in fantasy land, monarchies have their own appeal.

The sudden shift from monarchy to democracy is the most blaring awkward part of doing a politic change in a fantasy setting.

A functional democracy relies on the people being decently informed and wise enough to make wise decisions when picking their own destinies, which is something that takes realistic time after being subjected to generations of doing what a monarch tells you.

In the meanwhile, the powerful still can influence voting. And capable leaders that aren't connected to already existing structures, yet still have enough experience to lead, don't grow from the trees.

It's a prime example of the weird purity culture online that seems to extend to fiction nowadays. You get a lot of bad writers who seem convinced they have to attach a million disclaimers to everything so everyone knows they aren't condoning whatever they're writing about.

There’s definitely been an uptick in people who feel “depiction equals endorsement” recently, seems like. Though that mentality HAS always existed, of course, see the old joke about how it’s impossible to do a 100% anti-war work of fiction.

Edited by HamburgerTime on Mar 13th 2024 at 9:33:43 AM

That scene up there is basically a Monty Python sketch played straight.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 13th 2024 at 7:49:48 AM

"Traumatized orphans in bat costumes dispensing batarangs is not a basis for a system of government!"

Honestly it does nearly feel like it belonged better in a Disgaea game than a superhero fantasy AU. Though that might because at least two of the games are political in different respects (one being set in a obstinately more democratic netherworld and all) and that the first game is still about someone seizing the throne of hell by force.

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Mar 13th 2024 at 8:16:48 AM

It was clearly greenlit because of his prior success with AU titles like Injustice and D Ceased but Taylor was probably the worst person to handle a "Game of Thrones-esque" story for Dark Knights of Steel.

Cause that kind of story relies on good character work and neatly establishing motivations and dynamics between the various factions and conflict. All things Taylor just isn't very good at.

Like the main conflict in DKOS is everyone is scared of the Kryptonians and they almost go to war because this evil alien shapeshifter species successfully frames the El's until the last handful of issues.

Seriously the book is once again an evil Superman story. Superman and his family doesn't actually go evil sure, but the White Martians successfully butcher like 30% of the cast disguised as them so its a distinction without a difference.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 13th 2024 at 8:58:46 AM

Okay, real talk, having Cyborg's faceplate as a fancy knight eyepatch is kind of amazing.

While there has been an influx of democracy…. A lot of it devolves to obstructive contrarian politicians.

I feel like that scene was written for the catharsis of mouthing off a rich character, especially since this version of Bruce if a Prince.

There's A LOT of media recently that's basically just an excuse for a writer to mouth off at a strawman of rich people. It's kinda pathetic.

Really the Titans already have a justified excuse for hating Bruce, he basically was leading a witch-hunt for any metahumans or abnormal people.

The voting bit is an unnecessary attempt at modern commentary.

Oh yeah the art in the book is great, some stellar designs in giving the characters fantasy outfits and variations of their costumes.

Edited by slimcoder on Mar 14th 2024 at 10:55:59 AM

Whatever issues D Ceased may have calling it an Evil Superman story isn't accurate. A story where Spider-Man is framed by Mysterio or the Chameleon isn't a story about Spider-Man being evil.