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More advance reorders.

Yes! More midnighter! Shiny is pleased

I found Geoff Johns' Flash run (volumes 1 and 2) at a library and am enjoying it so far. What do you guys think of it?

Its what got me into being a fan of wally

Anybody seen this before? It was a draft for a Doom Patrol relaunch that never got off the ground due to the reboot, composed of various characters from DC's more offbeat titles. Beast of all to me? Tefe Holland, Swamp Thing's daughter, and yet another of the seemingly endless parade of superhero children Ret-Gone'd by the reboot. Because... Barry Allen hates his friends' kids, apparently.

The only other Wally story I'd read besides Silver Age Kid Flash stories was "Heart of Stone," which was just Post-Crisis. Reading about the aftermath, I was surprised Francine became a villain so quickly afterwards, as she helped save Wally from Vandal Savage.

edited 30th Jun '16 3:47:16 PM by lalalei2001

My favorite part of that pitch is Robotman being turned into a tiny keychain that Beast Boy wears around his neck.

Bizarro using "Clark Kent" as his Superhero identity is pretty funny too.

edited 30th Jun '16 4:15:43 PM by Cuber

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There was a Titans roster with Batgirl on it. The original Bette Kane Batgirl, anyhow. As far as Barbara Gordon goes, she was already out of her teens when she became Batgirl (at least in the original version of her character).

Re: Johns, I both love and hate his Flash run. It introduces a lot of ideas, it's just that he bungles the execution so spectacularly.

Also, the Rogue War arc is just the archest of bullshit, and I don't get this mentality that he 'fixed' the Rogues by turning them into Batman villains with fancy gadgets.

But then Johns has a boner the size of the Dublin Spire for Captain Cold and Heat Wave, so it's not like I'm surprised.

I can explain some of those ideas when it isn't one thirty a.m.

edited 30th Jun '16 4:37:25 PM by math792d

"What is your workspace set up like?"

edited 30th Jun '16 6:38:03 PM by LordofLore

Then Clark gets shoved off into space to choke to death somehow, because Clark's powers have never worked like that

Both Byrne Age Superman and the TAS version would suffocate and choke to death if they ever were in outer space for any long.

Yeah, but the Planetary version of it was spouting off some stuff about him being defenseless outside of Earth's gravity and not being able to fly.

Some versions of Superman fly due to manipulation of gravity. Without gravity, therefore, he wouldn't be able to fly.

Except there's gravity everywhere in the universe. Saying there's no gravity at all is one of the greatest inaccuracies you can make; hell, astronauts don't float in empty space, they're stuck in free fall around the Earth and constantly missing it.

edited 30th Jun '16 7:36:59 PM by Ssj3Gojira

Which version is that? The explanations I've heard are 1. that he flies as a result of Earth's lesser gravity (Golden and Silver Age, though that never explained how he could fly in space) 2.He flies because of a limited form of telekinesis (Byrne era, which is what was manipulated to provide tactile telekinesis for Superboy) and 3. It's just another function of his solar irradiated biology, and has nothing to do with gravity at all.

And there is gravity in space. There's gravity between any two objects of sufficient mass, so if he was between the Moon and Earth, there was gravity to be manipulated. The pull wouldn't have been terribly strong from his perspective, but it'd be there. I mean, hell, gravity's how everything in the solar system stays in orbit around the sun.

edited 30th Jun '16 9:50:39 PM by Robbery

Gravity is how everything stays in orbit around anything.

Like madness? *Joker face*

That time Superman met a man who turned radioactive materials into lead and didn't change costume in a phone booth.

edited 1st Jul '16 10:38:59 AM by LordofLore

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So in bringing old established (and previously married) couples back together (Apollo and Mindy, Arthur and Mera, Lois and Clark), is DC basically admitting that yet another premise of the nu52 was flawed— that married characters are boring and unrelatable to most of the comic-book reading audience?

Johns specifically said that married couples are fine before Rebirth came out(which makes sense since the Flash, Aqua and Super marriages were a big part of it).

If someone wants to have Kate Kane propose to someone now they're allowed to.

edited 2nd Jul '16 9:18:44 AM by LordofLore

Was that a stated premise of the New 53 or an inferred one?

Obviously, married characters are not inherently boring or unrelatable, but while many would applaud the notion of character progression, it can be problematic. Where does it stop?

Those who've argued for, for instance, a married Superman over an unmarried one, have said things like "unmarried Superman's story is told" and "the character needs to be able to progress>" The first is kind of silly, as you could tell stories of an unmarried Superman forever, and the second is, as stated above, problematic. If you insist on that kind of progression, who's to say it shouldn't continue to father-of-surly-teenager Superman? Or Grandpa Superman? Or, alternately, divorced single dad Superman? If you pick a point for the progression to stop, you make the same argument that the proponents of an unmarried Superman do, and it simply boils down to your liking one version more than another.

If they can build a good story from a development, then great. It's important, however, for them not to paint themselves into a narrative corner, because that sort of thing is what gives us endless retcons. Unrestrained character progression + the continuing needs of serial fiction = retcon. They're not going to retire these characters willingly, so they're never going to follow the ideas raised by progression to their logical conclusion. This is not to say they shouldn't experiment by having characters progress, only that it's extremely problematic in serial fiction.

As I recall it was an editorial mandate by Dan Dido in that heroes can't get married as their lives should have be filled with strife & sadness. That was why Batwoman's original New 52 writing team left as he for bided them having Batwoman marry her girlfriend.

They didn't get to have her marry her girlfriend, Maggie Sawyer. Basically, they had her propose (twice!) to Maggie, with the intention of marrying them, before Didio said, "Nope." Which wasn't the only thing they had to change during their run, it was just the last straw. So the entire creative team left the book.

His editorial mandate was "their lives should be filled with strife and sadness?" Is that really what he said?

edited 2nd Jul '16 9:44:58 AM by Robbery