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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#1: Dec 6th 2013 at 6:16:32 PM

Link to the Table of Contents.

And the introduction.

The first entry.

"It is an ongoing critical history of the British comics industry focused primarily on the magical war between Alan Moore and Grant Morrison. Its primary narrative runs from the publication of Grant Morrison's earliest professional comics work in 1979 through to the present day, although its style is characterized by frequent digressions both forwards and backwards in history."

I cite as precedent Atop The Fourth Wall. A video series of comics reviews that started in text, and that links the reviews together in an ongoing story.

It's not a review series though. It's a Psychochronography. Here defined as follows:

"Psychochronography, an offshoot of the artistic concept of psychogeography. Psychogeography is a practice originally developed by the Situationist International as part of their efforts to forcibly dismantle the established social order. Psychogeography is the study of how physical spaces impact social, cultural, and personal lives. Its central technique is what is called the derivé, or drift, in which one wanders through an urban area according to some idiosyncratic logic that causes one to cut against the usual lines and paths traced.

Psychochronography applies this notion to our internal landscape. Taking seriously Alan Moore's notion of ideaspace, psychochronography suggests that we can wander through history and ideas just as easily as we can physical spaces, and that by observing the course of such a meander we can discover new things about our world.

The Last War in Albion posits that one such path can be found by looking at the parallel careers of Grant Morrison and Alan Moore, two of the most acclaimed British comics writers of a generation of British comics writers who had profound influence on wider culture. Moore and Morrison, despite (or perhaps because of) numerous similarities in interests and beliefs have maintained a lengthy rivalry and animosity, and given their beliefs in the relationship between art and magic this rivalry can be read as a magical war taking place within the culture of Great Britain."

It's rather wonderful. And I will hype the fuck out of it.

...I'd make a page but I have no fucking idea how.

edited 7th Dec '13 6:47:25 AM by unnoun

TheEruditorumGuy Since: Sep, 2013
#2: Dec 6th 2013 at 6:20:50 PM

Oh dear. (And perhaps in comics would have made sense, that being what it's about? I've no idea. I just write things.)

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#3: Dec 6th 2013 at 6:22:51 PM

I'd think that a link when it covers the specific comic in question would make more sense. But it isn't a comic, it's its own thing. Sort of.

When Zero Punctuation does a video on Portal, it can be linked in the Portal thread, but also in its own thread. I think.

Also, I think there are rules against self-promotion. I mean, there are plenty of creators that are One Of Us and do turn up on the forums from time to time but. Well. Fine line I guess.

edited 7th Dec '13 6:30:00 AM by unnoun

Laura from Shintolin Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
#4: Dec 12th 2013 at 2:51:08 PM

My problem with this is that a) I don't read comics so clearly I am in no way the intended audience and this whole project was never going for me anyway, and b) I'm entirely unclear on what this war thing is. There were these two comic writer people who were kinda similar but also different, so they hated each other, and then they tried to control the destiny of the universe by writing comics at each other? Maybe? It's all very vague. Are there explosions at some point?

He's the Doctor. He could be anywhere in time and space.
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#5: Dec 12th 2013 at 3:36:12 PM

...Oh. This thread updated. Oopsies.

Funny, the next entry is tomorrow so.

Anyway. Summary.

Both men believe in a system by which the manipulation of symbols creates material change in the real world. Both explicitly use their creative work in multiple media as an attempt to cause such change. Their comics are magic spells hurled into the culture wars, trying in their own way to reshape reality. And they are opposed.

This is the story of what happens as a result of this. This is the story of the Last War in Albion.

Understanding this event as a war has several consequences. It does not entirely mean that it is a story of two generals marshalling their forces and battling on the astral plane. It is not Harry Potter versus Voldemort (it is much more Hagrid versus Snape). Alan Moore and Grant Morrison are combatants, and major battles revolve around their actions, but their role is that of Austria and Serbia in World War I. The actual war is much larger and diffuse, more akin to those wars described by Lawrence Miles and other writers of the Faction Paradox franchise, a cracked mirror spinoff of Doctor Who.

Tell me if this description doesn't make sense Laura.

edited 12th Dec '13 3:36:42 PM by unnoun

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#7: Dec 13th 2013 at 12:25:46 AM

Hi, folks,

I wanted to note that the work page mentioned ^ should properly be at Blog.The Last War In Albion - we have that as a separate namespace. I've cutlisted the current page in the meantime, because all its examples are Zero Context Examples.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#8: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:12:24 AM

Thanks for the help! I don't know how these things work usually. Not good at that sort of thing.

Update.

edited 13th Dec '13 2:12:54 AM by unnoun

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#9: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:26:40 AM

That page still has the Zero-Context Example problem, though.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#10: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:30:03 AM

...Most of them seem obvious to me based on the premise.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#11: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:32:45 AM

Nah. The rule on ZCEs is that if you need to be familiar with the work to understand why it applies, it's a ZCE. All the examples there violate that principle.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#12: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:34:47 AM

...But plenty of trope listings on countless pages are like that.

This is beginning to seem like more trouble than it's worth.

edited 13th Dec '13 2:38:22 AM by unnoun

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#13: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:37:46 AM

...I am starting to wonder if I should have posted it here at all.

Anyhow, "the other pages have this problem too" doesn't affect "is this a problem?" in any way, shape or form.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#14: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:43:45 AM

...I am starting to wonder if I should have posted it here at all.

What do you mean?

Anyhow, "the other pages have this problem too" doesn't affect "is this a problem?" in any way, shape or form.

...True.

But it seems like I'm one of the few here reading it, and it'll take me more time and looking through to find tropes part of the concept's narrative arc.

...I feel like this was a horrible mistake and the page and thread should just be cut. Just because I like it doesn't mean it's notable or anyone else cares.

I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time.

edited 13th Dec '13 2:45:51 AM by unnoun

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Dec 13th 2013 at 2:45:51 AM

I am just not sure whether a thread on a work in the media forums is a suitable place for a prolonged policy discussion.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#16: Dec 13th 2013 at 3:14:12 AM

I really think this thread and the page for the blog were a mistake now.

edited 13th Dec '13 5:58:17 AM by unnoun

FurikoMaru Reverse the Curse from The Arrogant Wasteland Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
Reverse the Curse
#17: Dec 13th 2013 at 8:36:42 AM

Oh, don't get your knickers in a twist. Sometimes hobbies require a time investment.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#19: Dec 28th 2013 at 4:30:02 AM

Update. About Alan Moore's Star Wars comics.

Ekuran Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
#20: Dec 28th 2013 at 9:44:02 AM

Moore did Star Wars and Doctor Who comics?

...huh.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#21: Jan 2nd 2014 at 4:47:20 AM

Update. About Moore's Future Shocks.

unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#22: Jan 9th 2014 at 3:06:10 AM

Update. About Action comics and 2000 AD.

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