Ukraine protests: Thousands march through capital
- over 100,000 by some counts
Ukrainian protesters besiege government building
Clashes amid huge Ukraine protest against U-turn on EU
Over 300,000 defy protest ban in Ukraine- "Fierce clashes erupt after protesters take to streets again, chanting "revolution" as anger against government grows."
What started as a protest against the decision not to sign an agreement with the EU seems to have escalated into a "Color Revolution" or "Arab Spring" style movement to force the government to resign. By some reports, the police are using violent tactics to suppress the street protests.
The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country. The current regime of President Viktor Yanukovich is part of that camp. The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society.
EDIT (2/24/2022)
This thread was originally opened in 2013 during the beginning of the revolt in Ukraine that eventually over-threw the dictatorship of the Yanukovyich regime and instituted democratic elections soon afterward. As of this writing, in the aftermath of the Russian invasion that began on 2/23, it is not clear whether or for how long Ukraine will continue to exist as an independent country.
Statements made nine years ago still seem relevant: "The Western half of the Ukraine has historically felt closer to Europe , and wants to move Ukrainian society in that direction. Eastern Ukraine feels culturally closer to Russia, and favors closer relations with that country... The current confrontations can be seen as a clash between these two halves of Ukrainian society." Some people have expressed the view that the confrontation between Russia and Ukraine, beginning in 2014, never really ended.
The invasion is also a result of certain grievances proclaimed by Vladimir Putin, the current President of Russia, and used by him as justification for armed attack and occupation. Western governments, and others around the world, have joined together in condemnation of this attack.
While we do not know what the ultimate outcome of these events will be, this thread will continue to be made available as a place to record news, ask questions and express opinions about the "Crisis in Ukraine."
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Edited by Tabs on Mar 20th 2022 at 4:26:26 AM
Beware the Crazy Man.
Jack, first of all, most of the people who are invested in the revolution proper are from or in the vicinity of Lviv. Everyone else just wants things to function, no matter who is in power.
As for the elites, it is through the elites that Western Europe and the US is trying to get Ukraine on their side. They are as corrupt as the pro-Russian elites, but they have money and are willing to play ball with the west. As such, they are supported. Especially since the alternative in most cases are the likes of the Azov Battalion, Right Sector, the Radicals, or the Banderites.
But take heart. Poroshenko is a dead man walking in terms of politics.
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What did the latest poll say about his support rating, actually?
I remember it being around 2%.
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@Knit Tie Ah, so thats what you meant. Yeah, this kind of rhetoric is indeed the popular one. And it sure is frustruating, how easy it is to make such an accusation in this manner, just because nobody believes radicals are stupid enough to do such a thing, with guarantee that it WILL be swung around aginst Russia in media, making it basically impossible to judge who is right and who is wrong. Information warfare on stupidity sure is migrain inducing, especially for those who tries to get to the bottom of it...
I just want the world peace! Or piece of the world... I haven't quite decided yet.
Beware the Crazy Man.
Saakashvili has resigned as Governor of Odessa, and he had a lot of vitriol for Poroshenko as he did it. He's also, to the surprise of absolutely no one, sticking around in Ukraine.
We all expected he would one day position himself for a run at the presidency. This would be how he'd do it.
edited 7th Nov '16 7:03:26 AM by FFShinra
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
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A documentary in 2016 that concerns the situation in Eastern Ukraine. Also has a Canadian training mission going on.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
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And the other shoe has dropped: NYT is reporting that Saakashvili is calling for early elections.
Dude is shameless. He's also liable to actually get Ukraine to lose more territory than it already has because unlike with Poroshenko, who I think everyone realizes is just taking advantage of the situation for personal profit, Mikheil has personal emnity with Putin.
edited 11th Nov '16 7:05:29 AM by FFShinra
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
I'd say that Saakashvili's just terminally incompetent when it comes to waging war.
edited 15th Nov '16 5:42:07 AM by KnitTie
That was my thought as well - what does Saakashvili bring to the table other than the Ossetia disaster?
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Beware the Crazy Man.
To be fair, Saakashvili does have a record fighting corruption at the local level in Georgia. Granted, he then became authoritarian post-2007 or so, but that is his one saving grace.
Not that it will do him much good in Ukraine, as Odessa has proven.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
I thought he was one of the few local governors in Ukraine who didn't have dirt-level approval ratings due to his willingness to actually push through some reforms instead of just merely talking about them?
edited 15th Nov '16 2:14:27 PM by KnitTie
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He was unsuccessful. The local oligarch stopped him at every turn.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
Looks like there isn't a place in Ukraine where any meaningful reforms have been made since the Maidan, then.
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http://uaposition.com/latest-news/russias-fsb-fails-kidnap-renegade-officer-fought-ukraine/
I've read up on Ukrainian news reports that the FSB tried to kidnap Ilya Bogdanov, an ex-FSB officer who defected after Crimea happened. Nothing on international news sources.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
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The SBU is claiming that they arrested 2 Ukrainian soldiers who wanted to defect to Russia.
Beware the Crazy Man.
I heard it was two Ukrainians who had already defected when Russia seized Crimea and they were captured to be tried for said defection.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...
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Some pictures purportedly depicting Ukrainian Army soldiers in the field. Mostly slice of life stuff, although some injured soldiers are featured as well.
I'm just reminded of Emuran for some reason.
EDIT: Anastasia Deyeva has been made deputy interior minister at age 24. As can be expected, people are pissed.
Anastasia Deyeva, 24, has been appointed a deputy interior minister, unprecedented for anyone of her age. And some Ukrainians think she is not qualified for the job.
"There's nothing wrong about a woman being an adviser, especially if she's pretty and smart," was one typical comment on Facebook. "But it's very wrong if she's that young and has no experience. Or the wrong kind of experience."
As debate swirled around Ms Deyeva's appointment, another young woman was selected for the highly charged job of running a campaign to purge the government of corrupt officials. Anna Kalynchuk, 23, studied law and was already part of the government's anti-corruption department.
Ms Deyeva had to deal with closer scrutiny than most public officials when nude photos of her were posted online. More tasteful pictures have since appeared on Ukrainian lifestyle website Style Insider.
Nothing to do with her work, insisted Ms Deyeva.
She defended her credentials, telling one interviewer (in Russian) she had exactly the right experience for the job. She was an aide to an MP, worked for a Swedish energy company and was considered suitably qualified enough to be offered an interior ministry job in 2015.
But her promotion to become Ukraine's youngest ever deputy minster unleashed a torrent of criticism.
"I knew that I'd end up in the limelight, that there would be criticism and biased commentary. But I never expected such vile attacks," she says.
Ms Deyeva's boss, Interior Minister Arsen Avakov, is firmly behind her.
"The main thing people have against her is that she's young," he wrote on his Facebook page (in Russian), adding that the criticism was based on outdated attitudes. "In the Soviet tradition, this sort of job was for a monster, but we've hired a girl. Maybe so, only we do things differently in my ministry," he said.
He is not alone in thinking it is time for Ukraine to move on.
"I am extremely glad that you're one generation younger than me," wrote Denis Kazvan, formerly an interior ministry adviser. "People like you do not need to spend 40 years wandering through the desert to get rid of the Soviet gene of slavery. People like you are free inside."
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Well, arguably a more tasteful injection of new blood than what Peter Thiel is up to. However, is it enough to get through institutional dysfunctions (mostly) unscathed?
edited 24th Nov '16 8:12:59 AM by Krieger22
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Given that her appointment itself sounds like nepotism, that's highly unlikely.
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Another short trailer on the lives of Ukrainian soldiers still fighting in the east.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
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Just in case anyone here still wishes to argue on whether or not the Crimeans wanted to join Russia, I just found a poll (another source) that shows that 66% of Crimeans wanted Crimea to be a part of Russia in 2010. Combined with the IRI poll that showed significantly lower percentages of pro-annexation Crimeans in 2011-2013 and the fact that 2010 was a period of conflict between Russia and Ukraine over gas pipelines, this shows that the public opinion on whether Crimea is Russia or Ukraine is very volatile and rapidly shifts in the pro-Russian direction whenever there's a conflict between these two countries.
edited 22nd Dec '16 1:26:09 AM by KnitTie
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So, an Ukrainian soldier made an app to speed up the preparation of D-30 howitzers for firing prior to the war in Donbass. As it turns out, an outfit ThreatConnect calls FANCY BEAR got their hands on it and modified it to provide the location data of its users to FANCY BEAR.
The results? Well, OSINT suggests that the Ukrainian Army has lost up to 80% of its D-30 howitzers.
Better Counterbattery Through Technology.
I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
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No they've been holding up reforms, acting like shits, with the result of all this being that support from the west has been plummeting. Also they could be considered to be betraying the ideas of the Mayden revolution, which unlike certain people here, pro Western Ukrainians actually agree with.
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