VGX (Spike TV's Video Game Awards 2013)

But in the end you still traveled a straight line.

Well that's Nihilistic.

~

Also, lol at people thinking The Division will actually look like the trailers when it comes out.

Ubisoft are masters of marketing and bull.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:06:45 PM by Thorn14

No, you traveled in a squiggly line that is completely different from everyone else's squiggly line.

I don't think it's nihilistic at all. The opposite of that, in fact.

"There can't possibly be any meaning in this world. But isn't that wonderful in its own right? Because if there isn't any, we can find our own."

"If we affirm one moment, we thus affirm not only ourselves but all existence. For nothing is self-sufficient, neither in us ourselves nor in things; and if our soul has trembled with happiness and sounded like a harp string just once, all eternity was needed to produce this one event—and in this single moment of affirmation all eternity was called good, redeemed, justified, and affirmed."

edited 7th Dec '13 7:11:12 PM by unnoun

Sounded like "Nothing matters what you do because you end up dead in the end."

Guess I prefer a tree branch than a squiggly line.

What matters is what you do along the way. Even if you get the same ending.

Life is not a tree branch. It all converges on a single point.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:11:34 PM by unnoun

Your path to the ending may be better. I'm not a fan of "Linear path with 3 endings" either. I like wildly diverging paths.

~

Also I can't believe Bioshock Infinite won best FPS. That game was terrible. I would have voted for Shadow Warrior or Metro Last Light but no non-AAA games allowed it seems.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:12:46 PM by Thorn14

Okay, just wanted to say that, just because a game has procedurally generated worlds and shit doesn't mean it automatically is non-linear. It's always about the story progression, as in, how does the game progress.

Story progression is more than an actual story. It's the tech tree, or the kinds of enemies you'll encounter, or the type of events you'll get. In Minecraft, you'll always start by punching trees to get wood to make a workbench to make mining equipment to mine to create stronger stuff to be able to create Nether portals to get the ingredients for the End portal to kill the Enderdragon. That's how the game goes. Doesn't matter what you can do around it, but you'll have a clear beginning, a clear end and a clear way of getting there. It's linear as fuck, and yes, you can do other things beside that, but in the end, the way to get to the end is the same.

However, take for example Super Mario World. In the end, you'll still have to get to Bowser's caste, but you can get there several ways. Either you'll go through the entire game, and get in through the front door, you'll find the secret passage to get to the back door, or travel via star road to get to the back door. It has three paths to get you to the end.

Sometimes a game seems non-linear, but it mostly is something artificial. You'll always end up doing the same thing.

Umm, no. Sure, everyone dies, but being dead is the part that nobody is around for. So that analogy doesn't really work.

Also, do you not realize that tree branches also converge? :V

I do realize tree branches also converge, but I don't think Thorn does.

Bioshock Infinite was pretty good. I don't see how it was worse than your two alternatives, having played all three.

Not a lot of fantastic shooters this year but.

Reality doesn't tend to do wildly diverging paths.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:20:24 PM by unnoun

The gunplay for Infinite was terribad. Only 2 weapons and none of them imaginative, slow pace, boring enemies and none that were as fun as Big Daddies, that TERRIBLE boss fight(s!) against the ghost, the pointless powers, I could go on.

Sure the story was...okay but for an FPS thats irrelevant. I had to actually struggle to finish Bioshock. Last Light ended too quickly for me, I wanted more.

Tell that to someone born in the slums and someone born to wealth.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:23:57 PM by Thorn14

They have different starting points. That's what we call a "bad example".

And the gunplay was fun, balanced(!) and the powers were fun.

Seriously, I'm amazed at how balanced Infinite is. So many viable options.

...Big Daddies were fun?

And the fights against the Siren were at least better than Fontaine.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:26:16 PM by unnoun

Metro: Last Light was one of the choices.

Edit* The thing I liked about what I heard of No Man's Sky is that it has procedurally generated worlds were no world is the same; It also has persistent online where each player has their own world but they can visit each others world.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:28:26 PM by Halberdier17

You had much more options fighting the big daddies. You could trap them, lead splicers to distract them, use rockets, electricity, a ton of things.

The big dudes in Infinite I remember having to just run around praying murder of crows went off cool down while I pumped them full of bullets.

And the first Bioshock wasn't that good either. I think the series is massively overrated.

It was? Well I hate these awards even more now.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:30:25 PM by Thorn14

Take it to the Bioshock thread before this thread gets closed.

The proper usage of the Illusion of Choice is a good thing, particularly in a setting like TWD where you're very powerless.

That doesn't mean Thorn is wrong and that we shouldn't applaud a game when actual choice is given, it's just that actual choice is difficult to pull off well and can ruin what could have been a good game without large amounts of investment (which is something Telltale doesn't have), and even then, they could still fuck it up, so I'm somewhat glad Telltale didn't allow too much choice in TWD.

Also, existentialism now. That's a thing, I guess.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:31:36 PM by Ekuran

What do you think of visual novels that have a bunch of branching story paths and one "true" ending that you unlock after going though some of those?

That's unfalsifiable.

I personally think that you shouldn't have to go through bad ends to get a "true" ending. Heck I don't even like the concept of "true" ends.

But thats not for this thread, I have gone out of topic, sorry.

Ah. I just metioned that because I recently finished playing a visual novel that uses just that, but writes it into the story in a way that would be a rather massive spoiler for me to go into.

The best way I can put it is that you actually do have to do the "bad" endings, because doing them gives you the stuff you need to pursue the "true" ending. Though, "Bad" ending is a bit of a misnomer, since the game never calls them that. It distingueses between those endings, and worse, "game over" endings, that are more like what other games call bad endings.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:37:42 PM by Enlong

Is it Virtue's Last Reward?

Y'all want a Choice in Games thread. Let me make you one.

edited 7th Dec '13 7:37:41 PM by Ekuran

Which one?

edited 7th Dec '13 7:36:39 PM by LordofLore

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Yes.

Full List of Winners

Viewer Voted:

Most Anticipated Game

• Destiny
• Titanfall
• South Park: The Stick of Truth
• The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
• Watch_Dogs

Character of the Year

• Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
• Trevor Philips (Grand Theft Auto V)
• The Lutece Twins (BioShock Infinite)
• Naiee and Nyaa (Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons)

Best Mobile Game

• Angry Birds Star Wars
• Infinity Blade 3
• Plants vs. Zombies 2: It's About Time
• Ridiculous Fishing

Committee Awarded:

Game of the Year

• BioShock Infinite
• Grand Theft Auto V
• Super Mario 3D World
• The Last of Us
• Tomb Raider

Studio of the Year

• Irrational Games
• Naughty Dog
• Rockstar North
• The Fullbright Company

Best Shooter

• Battlefield 4
• BioShock Infinite
• Call of Duty: Ghosts
• Metro: Last Light

Best Action Adventure Game

• Assassin's Creed IV: Black Flag
• Grand Theft Auto V
• The Last of Us
• Tomb Raider

Best Sports Game

• FIFA 14
• MLB 13: The Show
• NBA 2K14
• NHL 14

Best Independent Game

• Gone Home
• Kentucky Route Zero
• Papers, Please
• The Stanley Parable

Best RPG

• Final Fantasy XIV Online: A Realm Reborn
• Fire Emblem: Awakening
• Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
• Pokemon X/Y

Best Fighting Game

• Divekick
• Injustice: Gods Among Us
• Killer Instinct
• Tekken Revolution

Best Driving Game

• F1 2013
• Grid 2
• Forza Motorsport 5
• Need for Speed Rivals

Best DLC

• Borderlands 2: Tiny Tina's Assault on Dragon Keep
• Dishonored: The Knife of Dunwall
• Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon
• Mass Effect 3: Citadel

Best Xbox Game

• BioShock Infinite
• Brothers: A Tale of Two Sons
• Grand Theft Auto V
• Tomb Raider

Best PlayStation Game

• Grand Theft Auto V
• Rayman Legends
• The Last of Us
• Tomb Raider

Best Nintendo Game

• Pikmin 3
• Rayman Legends
• Super Mario 3D World
• The Wonderful 101

Best PC Game

• Battlefield 4
• Gone Home
• Papers, Please
• The Stanley Parable

Best Handheld Game

• Animal Crossing: New Leaf
• Pokemon X/Y
• Tearaway
• The Legend of Zelda: A Link Between Worlds

Best Casual Game

• Animal Crossing: New Leaf
• Disney Infinity
• Plants vs. Zombies 2: It's About Time
• Skylanders Swap Force

Best Voice Actor

• Troy Baker as Joel (The Last of Us)
• Troy Baker as Booker DeWitt (BioShock Infinite)
• Steven Ogg as Trevor Philips (Grand Theft Auto V)
• Willem Dafoe as Nathan Dawkins (Beyond: Two Souls)

Best Voice Actress

• Ashley Johnson as Ellie (The Last of Us)
• Courtnee Draper as Elizabeth (BioShock Infinite)
• Camilla Luddington as Lara Croft (Tomb Raider)
• Ellen Page as Jodie Holmes (Beyond: Two Souls)

Best Soundtrack

• BioShock Infinite
• Grand Theft Auto V
• Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch
• The Last of Us

Best Song in a Game

• "A.D.H.D." performed by Kendrick Lamar (Grand Theft Auto V)
• "Sleepwalking" performed by The Chain Gang of 1974 (Grand Theft Auto V)
• "Survival" performed by Eminem (Call of Duty: Ghosts)
• "Will the Circle be Unbroken" performed by Courtnee Draper and Troy Baker (BioShock Infinite)

Gee, if only they'd presented all of their awards in the three fricking hours they had for the show.

Then why complain about it? Just ignore it and walk away, sheezus christ. I don't play console games, but you don't see me shitting over things I won't play because I don't play on consoles anymore.