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#651: Dec 15th 2014 at 5:07:14 PM

There's technically nothing stopping you but it's really best to do something like post them on FF.net and then link to them.

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#652: Dec 16th 2014 at 9:39:59 AM

Truth: Rape as Backstory is a popular device for fan fiction.

Look at what I just Wiki-searched.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
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#653: Dec 16th 2014 at 12:46:30 PM

Yeah, it's a very easy way to have cheap and poorly executed drama so that comes as no surprise.

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#654: Dec 16th 2014 at 2:37:47 PM

Especially when the character doesn't react realistically, from poor research or the author just throwing it in for, as you said, 'cheap drama'. Honestly, as soon as you rape in a fanfiction, just get the hell out before it's too late :)

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strangerthenever Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#655: Dec 17th 2014 at 1:26:32 AM

Anybody here plays Killer Instinct? Because I have fantastic ideas for a crossover.

One has RWBY meeting Sabrewulf, fighting him of course, but when they get to his castle, they realized that he's no mere beast.

The other has JNPR with Jago and Orchid—veteran hunters for this story—as they investigate an island associated with disappearances. Things went to hell when Spinal attacks and separate them; Jago, Jaune, and Pyrrha must survive a gauntlet against Spinal's skeletal pirates, while Orchid, Ren, and Nora were stuck in a not so abandoned Ultratech facility... with the latest Fulgore unit model hunting them down.

I want to think something up with Thunder, TJ Combo, and Riptor, but I've yet to come up with anything. Sure, I could say team CFVY's mission that took so long was because they found out that an Ultratech lab that was responsible for producing Riptor units had gone silent... A pack of Clever Girls stalked them.

I know this if for the crossover thread, but you guys are more active.

edited 17th Dec '14 1:27:25 AM by strangerthenever

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#656: Dec 17th 2014 at 3:06:54 AM

Only when someone ELSE posts things. It's pretty easy for us to go weeks without a single post :)

But yeah, sounds good man.

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strangerthenever Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#657: Dec 17th 2014 at 3:35:20 AM

Thanks, I think I'm the only person who even thinks of a Killer Instinct x RWBY crossovers.

Still, I know what to do with the stories, but both have one thing in common; fighting. Any advices on narrating combat, because other than describing clothing/armor in detail, I don't know how to properly do that.

I'd hold off the CFVY + TJ Combo vs Riptor story until RT shows more of their personalities btw. I just don't want to screw with the canon.

Heh, now that I think about it, do dinosaurs even exist in Remnant?

Oh! There's one thing I've always wondered about the RWBY-verse... do nukes exist, or even radiation? I get the feeling an Uber Dust Bomb could do that, but has anybody asked this before?

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#658: Dec 17th 2014 at 9:02:34 AM

First things first: keep things moving. Don't fall into the trap of manga/anime everywhere and spend a whole lot of time explaining every single move and its backstory in great detail because that kills the pacing like nothing else.

Second, I know impact is harder to convey in a written medium but if you can do it well—if you can manage to convey the actual physicality of the fight, the damage the fighters are taking and giving out—then you'll make it a lot more interesting to read. "He punched her in the face" is an action, but when you include the effect ("He punched her in the face, her nose audibly cracking as her head recoiled from the blow") it gets more visceral. (That's a super-basic example I know)

Most importantly, remember to make sure that your action scenes actually have meaning in the overall plot and aren't just there for kicks.

edited 17th Dec '14 9:04:28 AM by moberemk

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strangerthenever Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
#659: Dec 17th 2014 at 10:29:38 AM

... Damn. Never thought of it that way. Honestly, instead of thinking of such technicalities, I just write it. You know, "Don't think, feel." and stuff.

Still, that will help, so thanks for sharing.

No complicated moves and describing them in detail, go it. I mean, explaining a Hadouken is simpler than describing how the Crescent Rose flip out of its sheathed mode into either the scythe or sniper rifle mode. Man, don't get me started on Pyrrha's rifle/xiphos/javelin... Still, don't overcomplicate the explanations, that I get.

However, regarding the backstory... How many RWBY fans know of Killer Instinct? I wanted to incorporate the KI elements into RWBY, like how Ultra Tech is a competitor to the Schnee Dust Company and... maybe the Atlas Military Ironwood belongs to.

Okay, so in one of my story, team RWBY will fight Sabrewulf, the mission board saying that a peculiar Beowulf is attacking a village, but then they found out that Sabrewulf is neither a Grimm nor a mere monster. When they get to his castle, I plan to have Weiss investigating a library with Blake, finding out and deducing that Count von Sabrewulf is the creature they're hunting. Then things get complicated when the mission was actually a bust; Ultra Tech was sent to eliminate Sabrewulf (because they're evil duh) and they're doing the easy way by "hiring" team RWBY to take care of him.

Of course, once they found out (after Yang fights Sabrewulf one on one) that the wolfman has a soul and wants to become human again, Ultra Tech agents pops out and attacks. Guess who wins?

Honestly, I love dramatic storytelling. And I want to make this KI x RWBY work like that. I mean, building up to the climax is a thing to do in storytelling, right?

Oh, when I get to the CFVY + TJ Combo vs Riptor fanfic, I'll have Fox fight the cyber-raptor. Honestly, his fighting style suits the one-on-one all fighting games are known for. Speaking of fights, Sadira vs Goodwitch, anyone? Or maybe Maya vs Emerald?

Really, I just want to write a KI x RWBY universe because my everything says this will be the coolest thing ever. Kinda wish I know how to have Kan-Ra without messing up canon; there's no Babylon in Remnant, is there? Maybe I could have him appear via dimensional portal...

edited 17th Dec '14 10:36:43 AM by strangerthenever

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#660: Dec 18th 2014 at 1:17:19 AM

[up]x7 It really says something, when I've read some 250~ fanfics fully and at least skimmed twice that number. And I've seen ONE (and a half) instance of Rape as Backstory done in a way that I felt was handled correctly.

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#661: Dec 18th 2014 at 1:29:42 AM

On fanfiction.net or the fanon wiki? From what I can tell, they don't really have the same stories.

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#663: Dec 20th 2014 at 2:54:57 PM

How could you read one and a half stories that have good Rape as Backstory?

Was it a spin-off? Was there an audio version of it.

Akira Toriyama (April 5 1955 - March 1, 2024).
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#664: Dec 20th 2014 at 5:18:54 PM

And when you say 'good', I assume you mean handled realistically rather than just shoehorned in for the sake of cheap drama and/or angst.

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#665: Dec 20th 2014 at 5:38:45 PM

I'm pretty sure he meant good as in 'the explicit and genuine objectification of women'.

edited 20th Dec '14 5:39:13 PM by FOFD

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32ndfreeze (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#666: Dec 20th 2014 at 7:17:08 PM

[up][up] Yes.

[up][up][up]The half dealt with one of the main characters estrangement from her father as the key reason she lost her connection with her family and as a significant life defining event. This was caused by her father groping her at a young age, and being so ashamed of what he did that he went from a very active father, to essentially ignoring her in favor of her brothers.

A significant part of her getting past her issues involves her recognizing the event in question as the reason why her father changed overnight. The situation is also complicated by the fact he died when she was around 12~.

The first story on the other hand, just dealt with the issue very well.

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#667: Dec 20th 2014 at 7:38:37 PM

[up][up] Okay, I was asking for that one, but even if a rape is treated 'realistically' in story, they still run the risk of ever 'over/understating' in story. For example, I've read stories were the author claimed to have done 'tonnes of research' and it showed, but the subplot only went on for about 3 chapters before the characters said they'd 'seek help' (i.e. therapy) and it was never mentioned again. I've also read one where the OC was raped by the villain leading an army of demons against the world and, while treated respectfully, the entire plot ground too a halt for 20 chapters while the character dealt with the trauma, with no other plot points being discussed or shown. Basically, even when researched and handled with care, you can still stuff up easily

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#668: Dec 30th 2014 at 5:01:10 PM

Ah, damn it.

So I was writing the first chapter, in which Schiefer, the leader of my OC team, was in a hospital, about to get discharged. Then he gets attacked by a bunch of White Fang death squad, leading to a gunfight. ....Then I realized, he's so much more pragmatic than that and somewhat cares for civilians, so I changed the scene into Schiefer pulling the fire alarm, escaping by blending into the crowds. The gunfight start properly, when he was at a bar, talking to someone, and gets assaulted by the death squad from before.

Jesus...because of that the chapter now clocks over 10,000 words, and when the hell will I ever finish this, so I can update?

-sighs- At least chapter 7 is done...

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#669: Dec 30th 2014 at 5:13:14 PM

You never did send me that document.

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#670: Dec 30th 2014 at 7:01:18 PM

If the chapters are getting too long, have you ever considered ending on a cliffhanger and then doing a part 2? It mightn't seem like a good idea, but reading 10,000 word long chapters is...painful.

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#671: Dec 30th 2014 at 7:08:44 PM

I will admit to having read longer than that. So long as it's good, the length doesn't matter (although you'll need to give your readers a convenient place to pause). The last chapter of the last fanfic I read was just shy of 20,000 words long and it was well worth it.

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#672: Jan 1st 2015 at 4:51:05 AM

@strangerthenever The Sabrewulf story is a sound concept. I'd have the Ultratech agents at the end be known characters rather than mooks, such as the Mass Produced Fulgores, Or maybe give Sadira or Cinder (The Killer Instinct Cinder) a try as one of the end fights. It seems like something that would add more tension. As for the mythos... That would be a good question. I guess give the broad descriptions, that Ultratech is a competitor to SDC, but also have that their operations are shrouded in alot of mystery and unpleasant rumors. Could even have the Fulgore Mk.III models being unrevealed to the public or such.

Also, in a similar vein a Guilty Gear x RWBY fic would also be an idea with alot of potential.

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#673: Jan 1st 2015 at 10:09:41 AM

Speaking of mass produced Fulgores, I do plan to bring them... except they'll appear in the JNPR x KI chapter.

Basically, JNPR was about to got to that village that's important to Ren and Nora, but they were sent on an emergency mission. Jaune accepted because the location is near said village... by that I mean they're sent into an island that's a few kilometers away from civilization and the one that's closest was THE village. They were teamed with the famous brother-sister team Jago and Orchid.

However, the true purpose of the mission—other than to exterminate Grimms—is to investigate an abandoned Ultratech facility. Things get complicated when Spinal and his crew pops out of nowhere and separates the six.

Jaune, Pyrrha, and Jago will fight Spinal and his crew, while Ren, Nora, and Orchid infiltrates the abandoned facility, only to find that it's not. Thanks to KI 3's classic costumes, I can have them fight hordes of the older models of Fulgore with multiple colors and accessories. Then shit happens when they woke up Fulgore Type-03, aka the new one from KI 3. Also, I plan to have Jago to go a bit bonkers and have him fought Shadow Jago.

But, long story short, I don't have any ideas of Fulgores in the RWBY x Sabrewulf story. Riptor Hordes, maybe? The new version is designed to be bio-weapons. Ooh, maybe I could call the playable Riptor as Riptor Prime in the story.

Sadira, though... I could see Cinder hiring her, or be a rival of sorts with her. As for Cinder, I'd wait until Iron Galaxy brings him in the end of Season 2.

Wish I could come up with something involving Glacius and Thunder...

Hey, not a bad idea! Ultratech, as I said, can be considered competitors to SDC and Ironwood's Military, and... man, imagine those shiny new white combat droids teaming up with the Mk. III Fulgores. Oh, man! They could say that the Riptor Units were built to counter fiercer Grimms!

You know what, maybe I should call this crossover of mine as... KLLR RWBY. Yeah, not that much, but it's the best I could think of.

Also, GG x RWBY? I can see Ruby trying to do Sol's Volcanic Viper with Crescent Rose, and Weiss doing fancy fencing with Ky.

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#674: Jan 2nd 2015 at 2:26:09 AM

I like the concept of the other RWBY members wandering through the Castle, as they start hearing strange growling noises and rapid footsteps from all around. Culminating in about a dozen Riptors (Could even have the produced ones be KI 1 Riptors) bursting into the Alchemical Lab.

Guilty Gear x RWBY is able to have universe crossing due to stuff from the former series. I know at least two things I would have is Ruby fighting Sol, and being able to barely hold her own... Before Sol holds back less and she outright loses. The other is the climax being RWBY vs I-No.

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#675: Jan 2nd 2015 at 3:17:36 AM

Hmm... mass produced Riptors but based on the older models? I could imagine them sending them to get Sabrewulf, because the Ultratech higher ups is giving the doctor responsible for the original Riptor project one last chance. Of course, they fail. Thus the new Riptor Mk.3 project, aka KI 3 Riptor.

I'll have her fight CFVY and TJ Combo, but as I said, better wait until the S2 characters have their stories and endings made in arcade mode. But other than that, maybe I should also wait for Riptor's classic costume to be revealed. Not to mention more CFVY screen time. I like the idea of Fox being blind, and one of the last things he sees before he lost his sight (think Matt Murdock/Daredevil) was an old video of TJ Combo's matches.

Ooh, RWBY vs I-No is a sight to see. But how about Cinder Fall vs I-No?

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