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Iaculus Pronounced YAK-you-luss from England Since: May, 2010
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#1951: Mar 2nd 2015 at 6:01:30 AM

The Badr Brigade is forming the spearhead. 'Liberate' is probably not the right choice of words.

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#1952: Mar 2nd 2015 at 6:03:52 AM

You expecting them to level the city?

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#1953: Mar 2nd 2015 at 6:17:29 AM

[up]Not necessarily, but the Sunnis living in it are in for some horrible shit. The Badr Brigade are an Iranian-backed Shia militia who have basically risen to become the Iraqi SS. There's video of a convoy bearing the flag of the similarly nasty militia Kata'ib Hezbollah rolling towards the city, too.

edited 2nd Mar '15 6:17:59 AM by Iaculus

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#1954: Mar 2nd 2015 at 6:11:33 PM

AP/AFP reports that ISIL is calling on members and sympathizers worldwide to take out Twitter officials for trying to block their services.

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#1955: Mar 3rd 2015 at 5:22:07 PM

And now, Da'esh has been auctioning young Christian females as sex slaves. The younger, the more expensive...

I really hope the Kurds destroy them all.

edited 3rd Mar '15 5:22:31 PM by Quag15

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#1956: Mar 3rd 2015 at 5:42:43 PM

A Malaysian teenager who joined Daesh is now pining for his mother.

Schadenfreude is the best description of my reaction to this.

Some Daesh recruiters here have been arrested as well.

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#1957: Mar 3rd 2015 at 10:11:21 PM

From Foreign Policy: http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/03/03/the-u-s-government-should-pay-anonymous-in-bitcoin-to-fight-isis/

"The US Government Should Pay Anonymous In Bitcoin To Fight ISIS"

“We are Muslims, Christians, Jews,” the wire-frame Guy Fawkes mask announces in an eerie robot voice. “We are hackers, crackers, hacktivists, phishers, agents, spies, or just the guy from next door…. ISIS, we will hunt you, take down your sites, accounts, emails, and expose you…. You will be treated like a virus and we are the cure. We own the Internet.”

The “we” here is Anonymous, the vaunted global hacking collective that launched a furious online offensive against the Islamic State in early February, and which declared war on the group shortly after the fall of Mosul last June. As the alternative Counter Current News reported (and as Anonymous #Op ISIS You Tube videos proudly trumpeted), these attacks exposed more than 6,600 Islamic State-linked Twitter accounts, along with 2,000 email addresses and about 100 IP/VPN channels. Several of the group’s major recruiting sites were also knocked offline.

But Fawkes’s wire-frame visage sounded about as frustrated as a robot voice can in a subsequent video released on Feb. 11, announcing a third attack. “With our last Operation ISIS, we showed the world and especially governments it’s not that hard to fight back ISIS online. So why’s no government doing it?”

Great question. How is it that the U.S. government, capable of coordinating a complex air campaign from nearly 6,000 miles away, remains virtually powerless against the Islamic State’s online messaging and distribution network? For months, the militant group’s horrifying, crisply edited videos of death marches, beheadings, and immolations have churned their way through the social media landscape, commanding near-instantaneous global attention. Add to this the group’s use of more intimate web platforms for international recruiting (20,000 foreign fighters from 90 countries at last count), and the scope of the problem only widens.

These online mouthpieces carry immense strategic value. The Islamic State’s June 2014 offensive into Mosul, for instance, was accompanied by a well-choreographed social media campaign, sowing terror and confusion far in advance of its fighters. Tellingly, when the Iraqi government finally acted, it did so by banning its own citizens’ access to Facebook and Twitter. Within the last month, videos of the Islamic State’s atrocities have resonated so strongly with citizens of Jordan and Egypt that they’ve provoked armed escalation and retaliation by these Arab governments. This is arguably exactly what the Islamic State wants.

If the United States is struggling to counter the Islamic State’s dispersed, rapidly regenerative online presence, why not turn to groups native to this digital habitat? Why not embrace the efforts of third-party hackers like Anonymous to dismantle the Islamic State — and even give them the resources to do so?

To date, the State Department’s tiny Center for Strategic Counterterrorism Communications — with its 21,000-follower “Think Again Turn Away” Twitter account — has been the tip of the spear in the U.S. effort to short-circuit the Islamic State’s propaganda machine. At best, its efforts are like spitting in the wind. At worst, it has been an embarrassment, as when the account confused al Qaeda and the Islamic State in a much-maligned tweet that baffled jihadis around the globe.

Although the Obama administration has announced a significant expansion of the office and put forth an encouraging plan to empower networks of university students to counter violent extremism online, these initiatives only address half the problem. As anyone who’s ever gotten in a political debate on Twitter can tell you, the availability of a viable counter-narrative in no way guarantees that somebody will actually listen to it. A remarkable number of people seek out information online with their minds firmly made up. Just as the United States must push back against Islamic State messaging, it must also take steps to tear out its voice box.

Those best suited to this task are not necessarily the thousands of professional hackers at U.S. Cyber Command and related agencies, who are trained and equipped to counter cyberattacks by rogue states and sophisticated non-state actors. Instead, the U.S. government should look to those unaffiliated, socially minded hackers (“hacktivists”) who have their own reasons to despise the Islamic State. This includes self-declared, underutilized “white hat” hackers, who use their expertise to test and improve the cyber-defenses of companies. It also includes those individuals and hacktivist collectives like Anonymous who have had a traditionally antagonistic relationship with the U.S. government.

What might a U.S. “partnership” with dispersed, largely unaccountable — if not uncontrollable — groups of shadowy individuals often at odds with U.S. laws look like?

It’s a radical idea: a nonprofit foundation, sponsored by the anti-Islamic State coalition and funded through a mix of U.S. public support and private contributions. (Think NPR doing bounty-hunting.) This small institution could issue bite-sized rewards (or tote bags?) for proof of the identification or elimination of Islamic State-linked social media accounts, VPN/IP channels, recruiting websites, or any other sort of online refuge. Defining “proof” here would be a significant engineering challenge — but certainly not as hard as flying unmanned space planes or deploying Star Wars lasers.

So long as the initiative attracted attention and payment proved quick, reliable, and tamper-proof — critical when dealing with hackers — it could open a new front in the digital war against the Islamic State. Already, social media administrators are struggling to shut down jihadi accounts at a pace that’s not even close to that with which they are being opened. A crowdsourced hacktivist army could supplement those efforts, identifying and flagging new nodes in the Islamic State’s network the moment they began attracting followers. These paid volunteers could also harass the Islamic State with phishing and distributed denial of service (D Do S) attacks — the bread and butter of today’s online vigilantes. Strong verification mechanisms could incentivize a more surgical approach to identifications and attacks, limiting collateral damage.

The effect would be to exert a constant pressure on the Islamic State’s digital operations. Social media companies like Twitter, which have been fighting a long-running game of whack-a-mole against the Islamic State, could get a huge boost in their never-ending effort to track down targets. Long lists of jihadi accounts, compiled by hacktivists and verified by government proxies, could be sent to the immediate attention of social media monitors. Likewise, brute-force D Do S assaults (which overwhelm servers’ nonstop connection requests) against Islamic State websites and forum boards could stymie its global coordination and recruiting drives. Other, stealthier attacks could sow confusion among Islamic State supporters, as with Anonymous’s recent hack that compromised more than 2,000 emails.

The goal would be to push the Islamic State into deeper and deeper parts of the web. No longer would grisly execution videos trend so quickly worldwide; no longer could the Islamic State so easily pull the strings of public attention. As prospective jihadis (particularly in the West) found it harder to establish contact with recruiters in Iraq and Syria, governments would find it easier to identify and stop them. In time, the Islamic State’s global reach and influence would wane.

This sort of partnership wouldn’t require any deeper mending of the rifts between hacktivists and the U.S. government. Those attacking the Islamic State and seeking anonymized payment could be greeted with a simple message: “You don’t like us and we often don’t like you. Performing this service will in no way immunize you from applicable domestic laws, now or in the future. But we share a common enemy and will defeat it best by working together.”

If individuals and groups like Anonymous are performing this service for free today, why pay them? It’s a question that speaks to the dynamics of these decentralized groups. The fact is that, while loose hacktivist collectives are excellent at mounting one-time “operations” to disrupt or disable target networks, they’re much less effective at sustaining that pressure over the long run. Those involved can get bored or distracted. The effort can fizzle.

This poses a problem. After all, there will never be a single decisive moment — an online Battle of the Bulge — that drives the Islamic State off the Internet for good. So long as the group exists, its fighters will always gravitate toward online services to achieve their goals of international terrorism and recruitment. Accordingly, rolling back the Islamic State’s virtual operations will be a continual task, akin to spraying for pests or mowing a really big lawn. This is the kind of job you pay for.

“Enlisting trolls to fight trolls” sounds like a surreal, distinctly 21st-century idea. It’s not. The United States has often embraced unlikely collaborators to realize strategic goals. In the early 1940s, tens of thousands of American Jeeps rumbled into Nazi Germany — driven by Soviet soldiers. In the 1980s, Afghan mujahideen shot down Soviet helicopters with U.S.-supplied Stinger missiles. In the war-torn Iraq of 2007, the United States showered money on previously hostile Sunni tribes to finally quash al Qaeda’s influence. Even today, Washington navigates tenuous partnerships with Iranian-backed Shiite militias and the terrorist-designated Kurdistan Workers’ Party. By comparison, offering micropayments to socially minded hackers comes across as fairly benign. U.S. soldiers are less likely to one day find themselves on the wrong end of a U.S.-supplied piece of crypto-currency.

edited 3rd Mar '15 10:11:45 PM by MayuZane

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#1958: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:14:31 AM

Hahaha oh my god that is such an Internet article.

To be perfectly fair, anons may be the only people dumb enough to think bitcoins are a legit salary.

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#1959: Mar 4th 2015 at 1:21:15 AM

Driving Daesh online activities even further underground (let's face it, at least their head honchos understand operational security to a degree) isn't going to be that helpful in the long run, though; remember that Bellingcat has been able to locate at least one of their training camps via geolocation of their photos posted online. The rank and file's inability to keep their mouths shut online is helpful for their enemies.

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#1960: Mar 4th 2015 at 2:03:25 AM

[up]Although the more underground they have to go, the less communication they get to have with each other and potential followers. Also the less of a powerful and attractive a presence they will get online, so potentially less members. Much of the danger of Daesh is the legitimacy they get from being an overt organisation with a 'state' of their own and a strong, visible Internet presence. So I've got to say I'm totally for driving these guys as underground as possible.

Interesting find there, Mayu. I'm cautiously in favour with what Anonymous are doing here. But no government should be bankrolling them. Governments can afford to be open and transparent (secret service aside) and that is their strength. They should say exactly who they are funding and what the tax payer's money is doing. They shouldn't be buying up wads of unstable crypto-currency, tossing it into a black hole and hoping for the best.

edited 4th Mar '15 2:06:12 AM by betaalpha

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#1961: Mar 4th 2015 at 7:13:58 AM

Leader of the Zetas, Omar Treviño, known as Z42, was captured earlier this day

His trademark was decapitation, leaving dozens of decapitated corpses sprawled around his strikes. He assumed the leadership of the Zetas after the capture of his brother.

This capture comes a week after the capture of the leader of the Knights Templar.

The Zetas are considered the bloodiest most violent cartel of all the mexican groups.

Think Anonymous would take on the Zetas for Bitcoins? Oh wait

edited 4th Mar '15 7:15:34 AM by Aszur

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#1962: Mar 4th 2015 at 7:53:27 AM

Anonymous are bullies. It takes more than Acceptable Targets and a vague sense of self-righteous indignation and an inflated sense of one's power, to muster the tenacity and courage of facing a truly determined and lethal enemy.

What the US can do is what the French did with the Chaos Computer Club: recruit them and turn them into obedient , disciplined soldiers that are more afraid of their superiors than they are of their targets.

The Shia/Sunni bullshit is really tedious. When are we getting our damned Peace of Westphalia?

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#1963: Mar 4th 2015 at 8:17:26 AM

Never, because Islam is Islam and Christianity is Christianity. The idea that political Islam will take the same route as political Christianity implies that Muslims are defective Christians, and plays into the clash of civilizations narrative.

edited 4th Mar '15 8:18:41 AM by Achaemenid

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#1964: Mar 4th 2015 at 8:17:51 AM

[up][up]Well that only came after the 80 and 30 years war in Europe so. . . yeah, it's likely going to be awhile in all likelihood.

[up]As opposed to implying that Muslims will always live in a state of intra-religious conflict and can never be at peace with each other?

edited 4th Mar '15 8:21:46 AM by Mio

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#1965: Mar 4th 2015 at 9:26:48 AM

[up][up][up][up]Awesome news, Aszur!

edited 4th Mar '15 9:27:12 AM by betaalpha

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#1966: Mar 4th 2015 at 9:33:58 AM

It sounds like that. However, the underlying problems of WHY the Zetas exist in the first place are not resolved with capturing their leaders.

You could remove the cartels entirely. But there will still exist poverty, discontent, corruption, and a thriving market willing to buy and sell drugs in the zone.

Nonetheless it is good that they captured him. Maniacs, the whole lot of them.

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#1967: Mar 4th 2015 at 10:19:00 AM

@Handle - Until the borders are drawn according to local agreement, matching geographic and societal norms (ethnically, religiously, even tribally), and local social contracts, it won't happen.

The colonial border system is what is at fault because it reflects nothing like reality. It has nothing to do with Arabs not understanding as a society something like Westphalia. It's that they DO that this is happening. They're trying to correct the erroneous divisions of territory.

edited 4th Mar '15 10:19:57 AM by FFShinra

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#1968: Mar 4th 2015 at 3:13:33 PM

skyes and picot, blessed be their names.

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#1969: Mar 4th 2015 at 4:28:00 PM

Yeah, but they're our bullies. And they try to target exclusively other bullies (who are mostly worse than the are).

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#1970: Mar 5th 2015 at 5:09:51 PM

Boko Haram is slaughtering defenseless people...again.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/boko-haram-fighters-kill-dozens-nigeria-town-150305165026916.html

Now for state terrorism, Assad still loves to drop barrel bombs in civilian areas.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/03/bombs-kill-10-syria-aleppo-150305122045307.html

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#1971: Mar 6th 2015 at 5:26:41 AM

Daesh militant saves a woman - from Daesh.

Although to be healthily cynical the militant might have been commanded to warn her to leave because they decided it would cause less issues than executing her. The one redeeming feature of their deeply entrenched sexism - they kill men with far more enthusiasm.

[up]And Assad claimed, "There are no barrel bombs. We don't have barrels." I only wish he was saying it while in the background they were loading helicopters with them, and he was using one as a chair.

edited 6th Mar '15 5:31:56 AM by betaalpha

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#1972: Mar 6th 2015 at 9:41:18 AM

They ran out of barrels ages ago. Now they use crates.

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#1974: Mar 7th 2015 at 11:14:14 AM

So now, since I'm getting conspiratorial, I'm wondering if the Daesh iconoclasm isn't motivated by anything religious, but is instead another way for them to try and goad everyone else into attacking them.

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#1975: Mar 7th 2015 at 11:21:09 AM

Not very conspiratorial. Thats exactly what they're trying to do, because then it shores up recruitment.

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