Global terrorism thread

Take a breath man. As much as we wish this wasn't so and by all means we should take all measures to prevent it's occurrence, as long as there are humans there will be this struggle.

By all means, fight it with all you have, set up measures to prevent it from ever occurring, but don't be discouraged by the set backs to the point it hurts you.

It's the struggle of human selfishness.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

Are the Taliban competing with Da'esh to see who can out-villain one another? Scum is too light a word for them.

On another matter, both Malala and Satyarthi could (and perhaps should) make a conjoint statement to help ensure some solidarity between India and Pakistan.

This.

edited 16th Dec '14 11:47:50 AM by Quag15

Last time I checked, Hamas doesn't typically walk into Israeli schools and shoot up dozens/hundreds of Jewish children.

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

I am having difficulty envisioning these things as human. Human beings have consciences, some semblance of principle, something that screams inside their heart when they look at a school and think of death.

A hundred kids.

Sandy Hook, at least, was the work of a madman. This was an operation, with the express purpose of killing these children.

We will eradicate them, or they will eradicate us all. There can be no, no compromise on this, not if civilisation as we know it has to last anymore.

@Quag: Malala and Satyarthi have indeed given statements regarding the attack. Nothing joint yet, though. It's particularly relevant to Malala - this is about the thousandth school that has been attacked in Pakistan this year, and this is, after all, a girl who was shot in the head because she was a crusader for girls' education.

edited 16th Dec '14 12:06:49 PM by arcanephoenix

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For every beauty humans have created, we have also created horror.

And no, these are very human actions.

It is important to just be aware that all people are capable of such selfishness so that we can better understand, prevent, and combat these instances.

Allow yourself to feel, then channel that passion into something active. That's how we deal with these problems.

"Psssh. Even if you could catch a miracle on a picture any person would probably delete it to make space for more porn." - Aszur

I'm too angry to even type. But here I go:

They want the Pakistan Army to go after them full bore. It helps their propaganda. And they hope in anger, Islamabad makes a mistake.

They don't realize what else they are doing, how it will lead to their downfall.

So let them have their short term propaganda victory. It is their doom.

These things were not selfish. They were ready to kill children, as many as possible, and teachers (one of whom was burnt alive), and army personnel, till their own deaths. They did not care for their lives, or their honour, or their conscience. Whatever they were, they weren't selfish.

I will do my best, though, Gabrael.

@Shinra: I just... hope that they've made a significant mistake, like, say, actually uniting India and Pakistan (pigs fly day, but the USSR was going to be forever, too), or getting the Americans involved, or making Islamabad get its act together (unlikely, but so was a lot of shit back in 1960).

You know the worst part? Many Pakistanis have wasted no time in blaming this attack on India, despite the TTP taking responsibility. I can only assume that it's all a conspiracy between the terrorist group and the country that they've been hit by the most.

edited 16th Dec '14 1:07:56 PM by arcanephoenix

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Well, from one perspective, the US can be said to be indirectly to blame for the whole mess because it dragged Pakistan into their anti-Taliban invasion of Afghanistan with its "with us or against us" ultimatum, thereby ensuring that Pakistan will be locked into a long war with the Taliban in the case they aren't effectively eradicated as a coherent force (which, sadly, came to be, in part due to lack of forethought about what to do after toppling the Taliban government).

edited 16th Dec '14 12:38:47 PM by MarqFJA

Fiat iustitia, et pereat mundus.

No, no, not the US, I meant us, as in India, as that quote made abundantly clear. Apparently this is somehow India's fault, because of course we'd ally with the terrorist group that has hit us so many times. I've rephrased.

But, again, the US... I dunno, man, where the US is going to come into the picture.

EDIT: A TTP leader has called this 'just the trailer'.

One hundred and thirty two dead children, at least as many more traumatised for life. Teachers dead. Just a trailer.

edited 16th Dec '14 1:24:36 PM by arcanephoenix

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This Zaid Hamid fellow is a bit...odd.

Schild und Schwert der Partei

True

This guy should be a shoo-in on CTSTDT.

Re: the above. This was a logistics test. Good test run, I guess, when your targets can't fight back, huh? Easy, except for it going against every shred of fucking humanity in your soul.

edited 16th Dec '14 1:28:12 PM by arcanephoenix

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I've just been skimming his twitter feed in semi-amused horror. He's still butthurt about 1971.

edited 16th Dec '14 1:27:27 PM by Achaemenid

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'Defense and security analyst'

For a guy that hates America, he sure doesn't mind using their language.

Also, RAMA? Is there any security agency by that name? Because otherwise it seems the guy is accusing India of killing kids by divine intervention of Lord Ram.

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It's the Afghan intelligence agency. Highly feared. Their donkeys come with ejection seats and machine guns!

edited 16th Dec '14 1:36:32 PM by Achaemenid

Schild und Schwert der Partei

Wait, is this the kind of secret agency so secret that they don't even have a Wikipedia page? Because that's really, secret, this RAMA.

I'm dreading the newspapers that'll come tomorrow - today, now, I suppose (December 17, 2014, 3.10 am).

Turkey has declared the 17th a day of mourning, while we have declared two minutes of silence in all schools across the country. Some nice stuff, I guess.

Also, I've noticed a pattern about this #Stop Indian Terrorism In Pakistan bullshit: It's primaily tweeted by Imran Khan fans like this guy, funny theorists like that Zaid fellow, and people who are outraged and/or smug about this being the response to #India With Pakistan, and other shows of support. You know, 'Look how the response are coming from Pak #Stop Indian Terrorism In Pakistan, but useful idiots of India still tweet #India With Pakistan', shit like that.

edited 16th Dec '14 1:51:19 PM by arcanephoenix

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Imran Khan's still pushing for negotiations with the Taliban, isn't he^note  Then again, he is a Pashtun?

Keep Rolling On

Speaking of whom: Imran Khan condemns attack on army school in Pakistan

Iran had asked Australia to extradite Haron Monis, the guy who killed 2 people plus himself at a Sydney chocolate cafe earlier this week, about 14 years ago for fraud.

Fuck, wrong link.

edited 16th Dec '14 3:23:32 PM by tclittle

"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."

Though it's moved on I'd just like to drop a quick reminder on people to keep any and all Israel talk in the appropriate thread, it's banned in all other topics, including this one.

Needless to say I'm fucking horrified by what's happened, however Shinra is right, this is a desperate act by a desperate group attempting to provoke an ill planned response. If the Pakistani government can keep its head about it than this may well go down in history as a major defeat for the Taliban. This kind of horrible act doesn't go unnoticed, it's going to cost them allies, within the Pakistani government and elsewhere to I suspect. The Taliban can't walk this back now, short of internal groups within the Taliban finding those responsible and mailing their heads to Islamabad there's no way for the Taliban to make any appearance of morality or righteousness now, and with that goes their stream do recruits.

Also another general point for the thread, while anger is perfectly understandable at times like these, if you anger is at the point that you don't care about having a civil discussion (which is understandable with the magnitude of crime we're seeing here), than it's generally best for you to hold of posting until your anger has dissipated a bit.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

My apologies, Silas, if I've gotten carried away by my anger at this incident.

I wouldn't bet on Islamabad keeping their head, though - they can barely keep their heads in times of peace, let alone a time like this.

The TTP will lose allies, though, and the entire Taliban will, perhaps, hopefully, be tainted by association. I guess only the truly mad will remain in an outfit that literally kills schoolchildren, but... There could be unforeseen consequences if anyone jumps the gun, be it Sharif (either of them), Modi, or even someone as far away as Obama.

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The Taliban were eventually forced to get one of their leaders to write a not-really-apology (nonpology is the term I believe) in response to their attempted assassination of Malala, due to the backlash. I wonder if they'll do the same with this too? I can't think of much they can write that can even try to justify their actions. Or if they claim it's the actions of a faction that's fallen way outside their command structure (which might be true) then they're admitting that their organisation is falling apart.

edited 16th Dec '14 11:47:49 PM by betaalpha

If I remember it correctly, it wasn't even that - they simply threw out their rationalisations for it, namely she wanted modern education for everyone and insulted Islam. And then they said she used "bad words" against them.

EDIT: The Pakistani government has now lifted its moratorium on the death sentence for terrorism.

edited 17th Dec '14 12:42:37 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot

According to some reports, the Taliban, or at least the afghan branch, strongly condemnded the attack with a statement.

It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.

Hamas was removed from the EU's terrorist organisation list due to a technicality.

The voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground

Pakistan school attack: India sends messages of support

Greater efforts towards peace and harmony between the two countries would be a most effective and devastating retaliation for the atrocity.

I found an article with analysis on this statement: Why is the Afghan Taliban condemning the Pakistan Taliban attack?

Pot kettle black of course.

edited 17th Dec '14 5:27:44 AM by betaalpha