Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Eh, I'd kind of like the next guy to go more in the direction of Kevin Conroy's Batman, wherein the two have more similar voices (and no gravely voice for Batman), but have starkly different personalities.

Off the top of my head, here's the actors I was thinking have more or less the right look (I'm assuming we'll see both Bruce Wayne and Batman): Bradley Cooper, Richard Madden (assuming he can do an American accent), Hugh Dancy

Other thoughts?

Maybe they could surprise us and cast Idris Elba as Batman. Hey, it wouldn't be the first time he's completely remastered a role expected to be white.

Oh no I definitely want to go back to the norm of Batman voicing. I just think people hate a little too much on the gravelvoice.

He seems to be the go-to suggestion for racelifting characters (seen him come up for James Bond too)- not a bad idea.

Whoever he is, no more gravel voice I hope.

Edit- I read an analysis somewhere commenting how the gravel voice signals that Nolanverse Batman is Bruce Wayne pretending to be Batman, in light of the put-on voice.

Conversely, the " Diniverse Timmverse Batman" is Batman pretending to be Bruce Wayne- he puts on a Rich Idiot With No Day Job voice when pretending to be Bruce; the Batman voice is the real voice.

Thanks.

edited 22nd Jul '13 9:11:53 AM by Hodor

'Timmverse' is a better term. Unlike Dini, Bruce Timm was there through the whole life of the DCAU.

Hope for the best, prepare for worst.

Y'know a sequel to Man Of Steel could probably do really well what the DCAU and comics team-ups between the characters sometimes hint at - Batman could teach Supey to act with more nuance, while Superman could teach Batsy to believe in his idealism is a little more.

Superman is far from stupid in this continuity, but he's got a lot to learn about subtlety and restraint - he's just starting to learn to use his powers to the fullest extent, and all throughout the movie he wielded himself like a giant hammer.

The unfortunately obligatory fight between the two doesn't necessarily have to play on Superman's weakness (especially as Kryptonite doesn't seem to exist in this one), but have Batman outmaneuver him (with Luthor doing the same to both of them, should he be the villain) - teaching Superman that there are some threats even his great power can't deal with on its own.

(Just to be sure, I don't think this would be from the perspective of Batman being a invincible hero who teaches a stupid Superman, but Batman as a man of experience who teaches a just-starting-out rookie Superman).

Meanwhile Batman, as the self-centered miser he usually is in crossovers, could learn that his tactics, though effective in Gotham, can't always work in the world at large - and that "justice doesn't always have to come from the dark."

edited 22nd Jul '13 9:25:49 AM by KnownUnknown

All I know is if Batman judo-throws Superman, there will be much rejoicing.

EDIT: Another thing too is that on the flip side Batman sometimes convinces Superman to take the direct approach and ignore being PC about his tactics. And Superman convinces Batman that sometimes "playing nice" gets the job done with less headache.

edited 22nd Jul '13 9:41:56 AM by KJMackley

@Idris Elba as Batman: Somehow I doubt that would go over too well with people. It would probably be a better idea to use John Stewart and/or Cyborg if they really wanted a black DC superhero.

One thing kind of interesting is that AFAIK, in the Frank Miller comic, Batman is a libertarian hero to Superman's pro-government stooge (something like that, right?)

Well, MOS Superman, while friendly toward the U.S. government clearly indicates he wants independence. So, perhaps in this version, it will be Batman playing the borderline fascist role (which IMO suits Batman a lot better).

I really, really hope this movie doesn't end up being Miller-esque. Even as an enormous Batman fan who only came to love and appreciate Superman as a character in the past few years, the whole "Batman is the greatest, nyah nyah" bit can get a bit grating.

That makes far more sense.

Batman just doesn't play the role of 'fascist tool of the government' well. Batman is all about being basically a borderline terrorist, outlaw figure who only follows his own ruleset and principles, and only has a connection to the police force because of a personal friendship with Jim Gordon. He isn't the Midnighter.

He's more like Zorro, except the authority isn't always (but usually is) corrupt.

I just hope we get a scene of Batman yelling at Superman (or vice versa) some variation on "WHERE ARE THEY?!"

Or for added fun, Superman yelling it at Batman.

Didn't Martha Kent in Man of Steel mention something about a crazy person running around Gotham in a mask? Was that in Man of Steel or something else?

That was in Superman The Animated Series.

Was it?

Huh. Funny how your memory plays tricks on you, isn't it?

edited 22nd Jul '13 3:34:18 PM by TheBatPencil

Or they could give us a twist and have them act perfectly friendly to one another throughout the whole movie.

It could be titled Batman/Superman: Besties.

But how to make a two hour movie? Those two teaming up would be a possible Story Breaker.

Relevant:

It did help in curbing my enthusiasm a bit.

It didn't for me. Nobody said it's going to be an adaptation of DKR. Even Jim Lee backed off and said that was not the case at all. Even if they do fight, like I said "Fight and then team up" is like the basis of every comic crossover or team-up in history.

It seemed more like he was worried about them rushing into a crossover before they've fully fleshed out Superman. It's his opinion anyhow.

edited 22nd Jul '13 10:16:56 PM by edvedd

It's possible to flesh out Superman further by using Lex and Bruce as foils/responses to Superman and allow him to develop as a character by bouncing off them. This would however require Batman to have more of a supporting role and allow Superman to be the main character of the story. It'd also be quite challenging to pull off and probably not as easy as a simple Superman/Lex storyline.