There's been a hurricane of changes lately, thanks to the protests. It's the kind of stuff most brazilians wouldn't expect to see in a lifetime!
The PEC 37 has been denied and corruption is now legally considered a heinous crime. Still, there's a long way to go.
edited 26th Jun '13 2:53:08 PM by Teraus
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."Yup: like actually prosecuting somebody for corruption.
But, every little step forward helps. ^_^
They are prosecuted, but a while later they are back in the government again.
I'm not kidding. It's retarded. Let's hope this law changes something...
edited 27th Jun '13 4:55:57 PM by Teraus
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."A slap on the wrist and a lecture to not do it again doesn't count as a proper prosecution.
Every little step is indeed valuable, but given how politics are done around here, I wouldn't get my hopes too high yet. The good thing is that the protests continue, even weakened.
edited 27th Jun '13 6:17:47 PM by NightChaos
"......Huh?" Myself, 2014.Apparently, the Simpsons will have an episode inspired by the protests in Brazil O_o It will be about popular manifestations, but apparently this will be the Chalkboard Gag
edited 28th Jun '13 4:40:16 PM by Victin
I thought it was just a fake? Don't trust this unless it is from a decent source.
Yes, I was hoping one of you was really sure. So far the sources I've found seem to be reliable but I'm unsure.
Well, pick your favorite corrupt politician, and make your protest about sending the guy to jail...
edited 29th Jun '13 10:58:15 AM by demarquis
Done a billion times already. They don't seem to care.
I'm so pissed off right now... Just 3 days after they passed the law to redirect the petrol royalties to education (which actually contributed less than what was demanded originally), the senators basically decide to give a big fuck you to all the people and reduce that contribution. It's as if they're openly mocking us. I really want to go to another protest now...
edited 5th Jul '13 2:16:03 PM by Teraus
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."The senators don't like it. I presume a lot of them are corrupt as hell. Keep pressuring them and good luck!
edited 5th Jul '13 2:14:04 PM by Quag15
Awesome.
Protests really haven't stopped entirely during this period, though this one was probably much bigger than usual. It's just that the media pretty much stopped giving them coverage/only covered the vandals every now and then.
edited 8th Oct '13 8:14:51 PM by Teraus
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."There oughta be more coverage. But the media, as usual, doesn't like to give too much exposure or talk about "yesterday's news".
I'm glad the protests are continuing.
edited 8th Oct '13 8:39:13 PM by Quag15
If I wasn't so busy with college, I'd participate in more protests...
After all that, so many points were still left unaddressed or were simply reverted to the way they were before. Frustrating.
"You cannot judge a system if your judgement is determined by the system."
You realize you will only get busier, right? University is the number 1 time for protests, wherever you are.
Schild und Schwert der ParteiThe linked article mentioned the use of "black block" tactics and vandalism. In my opinion, that's unnecessary.
It appears that some of the Demonstrations were taken over by Black Block anarchists.
Not that The BBC appears to know who they are:
These are the Black Blocs and it was their actions on the fringes of the main demonstration that turned a hitherto peaceful event violent. On previous occasions I have witnessed first-hand and seen powerful video evidence to support allegations that the security forces themselves have orchestrated or agitated violence in the crowd to justify their own, subsequent, actions but that did not seem to be the case in Rio, at least, last night.
There would later be criticism of the police from some quarters for being relatively slow to react and for not marshalling the demonstration in any way.
The Black Blocs are an enigma and nobody really knows who they are.
Anarchists? Frustrated youth? Ideologically driven anti-capitalists determined to embarrass the government and cause maximum disruption when the eyes of the world are on Brazil? They are not unique to Brazil and have been devastatingly and destructively active in anti-globalisation protests from Seattle to Greece to Egypt.
They are not permanent nor typical (in the sense they don't belong to any social group or profession). They also thrive in cyberspace, organising their actions via Facebook and other social media sites. The Black Blocs despise symbols of authority and, even more so, big multinational corporations which they accuse of defrauding Brazil and its people.
It was no surprise, therefore, that the Council Chamber and the nearby Banco do Brasil building in Rio de Janeiro's historical centre were among the first targets for the Bloc when things turned ugly. After riot police were belatedly deployed, the rioters retreated, vandalising banks and smashing windows as they melted into the shadows.
The violence may have been isolated to a relatively unpopulated part of Rio's downtown business district but it has left many Brazilians shocked and asking tough questions about the future and direction of the protest movement.
edited 9th Oct '13 4:56:47 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnWell, I dont know. BB is a tactic, not a consistent group of people. Also, they are willing to throw bricks through windows but are afraid of being arrested for wearing a mask? Sounds to me like that article is written from second hand information.
The "black block" thing is greatly exaggerated. For one thing, the midia usually calls "black blocks" anyone who acts violently in these protests. For another, they also completely ignore how the black block usually try to prevent the police to harm the pacific protesters. To complete, they usually declare its them who initiate the confronts, but this is often blatantly false. All to often me/other people I know have seem the police starting the violence and them having the midia saying it was the "black block" who throw the first stone.
Please, regard any media coverage about "black blocks" here with a grain of salt.
About the mask thing. It seems the media guys forget how the police is eager to throw around tear gas at the slightly provocation (or even without it). The mask have become mainly a defense against gas, really.
edited 9th Oct '13 8:34:40 AM by Heatth
Were there any students arrested or who got it with tear gas or whatever? I read that there was a also a protest in São Paulo in support of a students' strike in a college there.
Last protest you mean? Not entirely sure. Have to say I am not following it as closely as I should. From what I've read, no one was actually arrested here and Rio, but a couple were in São Paulo (don't know if they were students). However, both states are going to use harsher laws, apparently. Rio de Janeiro is apparently going to fit the "vandals" in protests as "organized crime" and São Paulo just dig up some law from the military period to arrest the previous mentioned couple.
I don't think I need to say, but this is really worrisome. The police and the state have proved again and again to not be trusted in their capacity of identifying actual vandals from the protesters. In fact, the police have more than once straight up framed people so they could arrest them.
PS:If you mean in the protests in general, than, yes. This have happened a lot.
edited 9th Oct '13 1:52:29 PM by Heatth
Digging up laws from the military period? Are they nuts?!
And labeling "vandals" (or "vandalism") as "organized crime" is really stupid.
I knew that the police and the state were already suspicious and not to be trusted, but not to that level.
Hope things will get better.
Yes, they are. But as far as sports go, the focus is on the World Cup for the moment as the Confederation Cup is still going on. Not to mention the Olympics concern manly Rio de Janeiro, not the rest of the country.