The phrase "hitting a new low" feels like it has become meaningless by now. That happened so often there's probablaby a journalist standing around somewhere, chanting: "How low can you go?"
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.Some explosion happened?
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After the arrests of the HDP leaders, an explosion went off. 8 dead, 100 injured last I checked.
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkelePlease don't be the Kurds, don't be the Kurds, don't be the Kurds, don't be the Kurds, don't be the Kurds!
How long until Sultan Erdogan blames the Kurds?
Inter arma enim silent leges
Oh, they already blamed the PKK.
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleI'm wondering, now that herr Trump is soon to be taking command of the states, how possible is it that he might try to send Gulen to his death in Turkey?
Unless Obama sends him to Canada before dude is inaugerated....then yeah Gulen is a dead man.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...Meanwhile in the Caliphate
While you were watching Trump...Turkey locks up dissidents
President Erdogan keeps on purging
THE police in Diyarbakir came for Ziya Pir and his colleagues from Turkeyβs pro-Kurdish Peoplesβ Democratic Party (HDP) on November 4th, in the black of night. Detained on vague terrorism charges, they were taken to a police station; Mr Pir and several others were then transferred to a courthouse. As dawn broke, a car bomb went off outside the police station, killing 11 people, mostly civilians. An offshoot of the outlawed Kurdistan Workersβ Party (PKK) took credit. The attackers βmust have known that there were people being detained inside the building,β says Mr Pir. He and his colleagues narrowly escaped death at the hands of a group they are accused of supporting.
The HDP is the latest casualty of the snowballing purges ordered by Turkeyβs president, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, in the aftermath of the failed coup on July 15th. Over 36,000 people have been arrested and 100,000 sacked, most of them from state jobs. Mr Erdogan has imposed emergency rule and put Turkish politics in a stranglehold. Ten HDP deputies, including its co-chairs Figen Yuksekdag and Selahattin Demirtas, a former candidate for president, have been arrested. Police have raided the partyβs Ankara headquarters. The HDP responded with a partial boycott of parliament.
Mr Erdogan is backed by a coalition of nationalists and Islamists, fired up by the summerβs violence and by his own rhetoric. (To him, this coalition is synonymous with βthe national willβ.) Politicians from the ruling Justice and Development (AK) party accuse Western critics of ignoring the trauma of the attempted coup on July 15th, which left some 270 people dead. They argue that if the junta, thought to answer to the widely reviled Gulenist sect, had wrested power from Mr Erdogan, it could have meant civil war.
Yet the damage inflicted on Turkish democracy by the purges has been appalling. Having locked up the HDP leadership, as well as more than 100 journalists, the government has begun to turn up the heat on the main opposition, the secular Republican Peopleβs Party (CHP). Earlier this week, the party denounced the arrests of the Kurdish lawmakers, calling on its own supporters to βresist democraticallyβ. Mr Erdogan responded by lodging a criminal complaint against all of its M Ps. Under emergency law, parliament has turned into a sideshow. To the dismay of AKβs own dwindling moderate faction, Mr Erdogan is once again musing about reinstating capital punishment. A nationalist party wants the death penalty, and analysts fear that Mr Erdogan may back it if the nationalists support a new constitution that would give him further executive powers.
In theory, Turks will have their say on the constitutional changes in a referendum planned for the first half of 2017. Yet with the mainstream media cowed or co-opted, Kurdish politicians behind bars and dissent equated with treason, the prospect of a free and fair vote is abysmally low. A referendum held under the state of emergency, up for renewal in January, risks turning into a coronation.
As models for his executive presidency, Mr Erdoganβs supporters cite France and America. Yet the more relevant models are Kazakhstan and Russia, with an added serving of political Islam. Mr Erdoganβs inner circle sees Turkey as βa more nonaligned country, with no dues to pay, no burden to carry, and no club membership,β says Yusuf Muftuoglu, a former presidential adviser. The question is how much further Turkey can go along the path to autocracy without provoking serious unrest.
Mr Erdogan may be tempted to push ahead with a complete purge of the opposition, says Ali Bayramoglu, a veteran commentator. But even with the backing of the Islamist and nationalist camps, that would be no walk in the park. In a society as polarised and diverse as Turkeyβs, the transition to absolute rule risks opening the door to social unrest. βErdogan is a tactician; sometimes he knows very well when to stop,β says a former CHP politician. While there may be more episodes of repression, βthis cannot go on indefinitely.β
If fear of civil unrest does not keep Mr Erdogan up at night, the sagging economy may. The government recently revised its 2016 growth forecast down to 3.2% from 4.5%. The lira has fallen to its lowest level against the dollar in over three decades. Unlike the autocratic regimes to its east, Turkey relies on credit, not oil or gas, to generate growth. βThis country needs to attract money from abroad, to continue giving the image that it knows where itβs going,β says an economist. Further repression, and the ensuing instability, βcannot be sustainableβ.
Yet governments often do things that are not economically sustainable. Turkeyβs democracy is on life support. Mr Erdogan is holding the plug.
edited 15th Nov '16 3:40:56 PM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesMr Erdoganβs inner circle sees Turkey as βa more nonaligned country, with no dues to pay, no burden to carry, and no club membership,"
Then Ankara can fuck right off and get out of NATO.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Which then loses them a strategic advantage in the straits, even if practically they no longer have it, to willingly let them walk on out looks bad on the current leadership of NATO members.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...Michael Flynn urges Trump to extradite Gulen to Turkey.
Flynn- "The forces of radical Islam derive their ideology from radical clerics like Gulen, who is running a scam. We should not provide him safe haven."
Ah, looks like Flynn's is getting in to gear.
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleI hate Flynn. Especially when Gulen =/= Maududi or whatever other Islamist philosopher one wishes to compare to.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...He is a pure product of the War on Terror. Perfectly willing to do deals with anyone as long as they get him Al-Qaeda/ISIS/Flavour of the Month.
edited 16th Nov '16 1:12:43 PM by TerminusEst
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleAnd will swallow any bait you hang in front of his mouth, too?
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanBetween this and the cooling EU-Turkish relations, I wonder if we could offer the guy asylum over here at this point.
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.I honestly think Obama needs to send him to Canada or a friendly EU country before his term expires at this point.
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...If not, he's going to be murdered on the tarmac, with Trump as an accessory. Though Trump can't just unilaterally deport him, right? He'd have to go through the courts, and "my home country would summarily murder me" is a valid defense IIRC.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Question is, which courts?
EDIT - Also, can the US prevent Gulen from leaving the country of his own free will to a third country if there is a court case?
edited 16th Nov '16 7:38:33 PM by FFShinra
Final Fantasy, Foreign Policy, and Bollywood. Helluva combo, that...Unless they detain him (and assuming another country lets him in), I'm pretty sure Gulen is allowed to move where ever he wants.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.What.Is this some bad hentai plot?
Can said marriage be forced?Can't imagine the victims saying yes,but who knows what their families can do in support.
Secret SignatureEvidently, they need more space for the people in Erdogan's Enemies List.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIt's "validated" by Abrahamic religious beliefs and local views on "honor" (as in honor killings) apparently.
Yeah, I don't see this ending well.
Disgusted, but not surprised