Shin Megami Tensei IV *SPOILERS ABOUND*

Who would they say it to though? Asahi certainly wouldn't want to tell her dad, since her dad's firmly against her being a Hunter. Fujiwara and Skins are probably not so accessible to fifteen year old rookie hunters.

Not at the begining of the story, they didn't.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:05:26 PM by dragonfire5000

Not a good example, because all a demon needs to do is grab someone, shove their hand on the ark to release Krishna.

Which Dagda does in one option but with magic.

There was a far smarter method of going to see Fujiwara and Skins and telling what happened on the same day it happened. Because a crowd out for blood would obviously show up if you wait a day and go through public connections to let them know. For someone with access to Cafe Florida it doesn't make a damn but of sense.

Except they beat Shesha who was viewed as powerful enough to get all three factions working together. As the strongest trump card being beat by a teenager would easily earn a chance to meet the leaders.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:04:03 PM by OmegaRadiance

To be fair, they're fifteen years old. Teenagers are certainly not the most rational of individuals, particularly teenagers who have just set loose a god that took out Tokyo's messiah and who are scared of being blamed.

I certainly know that my teenage self would probably stay quiet about something that was my fault for as long as I could under the desperate hope that no one would ever bring it up if I kept quiet about it.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:04:03 PM by dragonfire5000

Hmm yeah I guess Nozomi does look pretty bad if you take the most uncharitable readings of her personality and motivations possible.

Ron the Death Eater is, after all, a trope.

There were way smarter ways to handle it, but she didn't. I could just go "the plot required her to be an idiot so they wrote her as such".

There simple and efficient.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:08:54 PM by OmegaRadiance

And I still think you're using Ron the Death Eater to reach that "efficient" conclusion. It'll just be another thing we have to agree to disagree on, because I still think what she did is reasonable enough and in no way idiotic.

Well I did mean by "the plot requiring her to be an idiot" to mean the writer wrote the situation horribly and could have done it in a smarter way since Nozomi had access to Cafe Florida. They could easily go report their failure directly to Fujiwara and Skinsnand tell them what happend at Kanda. There was no reason to wait till the next day.

It's hard to distinguish bad writing from the character, especially when you've read garbage shonen like I have.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:15:11 PM by OmegaRadiance

Again, I can easily understand why Nanashi and Asahi might not want to talk about what they did at all. When I was a teenager, I've screwed up before and tried to keep as quiet as possible about it in hopes of no one ever bringing it up. Dumb thing to do in hindsight, of course, but hey, I was a dumb teenager back then.

Thankfully, none of my screw-ups were as bad as "unleashing an evil Hindu god with access to a monstrous hungry snake-dragon made of lava."

They'd have to do it regardless so if anything doing it now is important than later. Plus they don't give you any option to say you didn't want to admit to it. Only Asahi does that.

Unless, of course, Nanashi didn't give a crap and didn't care what they thought.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:23:53 PM by OmegaRadiance

Again, something I was aware of even as a teen. Didn't stop teenage me from thinking "If I just keep quiet about it and not draw attention to it, maybe no one will ever bring it up." That's why I found it understandable why Nanashi and Asahi don't just come clean; I've been in a similar situation before (not as severe as theirs, thankfully).

And I'm aware they don't give you the option to say you want to come clean or that you don't want to come clean. With that in mind, the fact that Nanashi doesn't say anything to anyone about it at all made me interpret that he was afraid of being blamed...which I can completely empathize with, as I mentioned above.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:26:03 PM by dragonfire5000

His responses during the situation include ones that suggest he doesn't care what they think.

This is entirely possible and far more likely. After all the original Neutral timeline happens as intended because he chooses to die and stay dead while Asahi gets to be murdered by Adrammelech.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:29:39 PM by OmegaRadiance

We have a difference in interpretations, then. Where you see him not caring, I see a teenage boy being afraid of being blamed. And I don't see it as the "far more likely interpretation" just because there's an alternative universe where Nanashi doesn't take Dagda's deal.

Again, agree to disagree, because it's clear we're not going to convince each other to change minds, and we've already dragged out our conversation for over a page.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:34:31 PM by dragonfire5000

It isn't a difference in interpretations. One of the choices is to insult Skins to his face to show how little he cares.

Which again, is completely plausible for Nanashi.

Which is a choice you can possibly take. Which still makes the interpretation that Nanashi is afraid of being blamed a valid one. After all, if I choose the "I vow to never betray you" option, it's likely I'm not going with the "Nanashi doesn't care what others think" interpretation.

Again, agree to disagree, because this has been going on for a while and it's pretty clear we're not going to change each other's mind. You interpret the game how you want and I'll interpret the game how I want, and we agree not to shove our interpretations down other people's throat without their consent.

edited 28th Jun '17 9:38:13 PM by dragonfire5000

The fact he never tries to talk back against Nozomi doing it does suggest he either accepts it or doesn't care, but none that suggest he's unwillingly to accept it. He gets to voice his opinions when Gaston starts getting irrational, but he never does the same concerning Nozomis plan.

Asahi tending to get in over her head and not realizing the consequences is why Master asks Nanashi to look after her.

Which still didn't make me interpret things the same way you did. Again, we interpret things differently. Let's just leave it at that, because we're not going to change each other's mind considering how long our conversation is going. Agree to disagree.

Alright.

So in the Hunter Notes, it's mentioned that right before the war began, Defense Minister Tamagami had a vision of a mysterious woman at the Yamato reactor. Who, or what, was that? I'd assume either the Goddess or Gabriel, but I don't know if it's ever confirmed.

Gabby is far likely, especially since a Demonoid revealed it was opened because of Law 25 years ago and the Archangels even engaged in Japan's failed demon gene experiments in an alternate timeline.