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EvaUnit01 Fandom Heretic Since: Mar, 2011 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
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#576: Jul 21st 2015 at 9:11:31 PM

Break Through the Limit has concluded now.

...I'm not even up to the halfway point yet.

Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#577: Jul 22nd 2015 at 3:19:45 AM

Break Through the Limit is better than its sequel, Even Further Beyond. EFB isn't terrible or anything, but it seemed to lose part of itself once it stepped past the end of DBZ.

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#578: Jul 22nd 2015 at 5:56:43 AM

Well, I still haven't quite finished up the Fusion Reborn arc, is where I'm presently at.

Soble Since: Dec, 2013
#579: Jul 22nd 2015 at 6:45:42 AM

Bringer of Death doesn't seem to be reaching its conclusion anytime soon.

I can't help but feel that he's trying to replace Majin Buu. I can't wait to see how he writes Majin Buu to 'correlate' with the more sciencey-themed tone.

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#580: Jul 22nd 2015 at 12:03:19 PM

Wait, how do you write the sequel fic before the original fic is finished?

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Hyp3rB14d3 Since: Jan, 2001
#581: Jul 22nd 2015 at 3:41:07 PM

He continued updating Break Through the Limit with Even Further Beyond chapters. Break Through The Limit ended a long time ago.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#582: Jul 22nd 2015 at 3:44:30 PM

Even Further Beyond is too cool a line to be used for something that does not involve the most ridiculously overblown transformation scene in the entire anime.

Even though I generally dislike the english Dub, that one scene was just perfect in every way.

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Zelenal The Cat Knows Where It's At from Purrgatory Since: Jul, 2009 Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
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#584: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:09:43 AM

Welp. Chi-Chi's now doomed everyone to die to Majin Buu since Goku won't have Super Saiyan 3 nor know the Fusion Dance.

Working on Tales of the Monkey Queen with Shark has made me realize how anything other than small changes (and sometimes even those) will result in everything being fucked. I consider that a testament to how tightly woven Dragon Ball's narrative actually is.

edited 28th Jul '15 11:11:47 AM by Zelenal

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#585: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:10:38 AM

Neither of those really accomplished anything though.

EDIT: More non-stop sandwich-packed action.

edited 28th Jul '15 11:13:36 AM by unnoun

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#586: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:16:35 AM

Yes they did. They delayed Majin Buu and Super Buu so that the more important things could happen.

If Goku didn't know Super Saiyan 3, he couldn't have delayed Majin Buu long enough for Trunks to get the Dragon Radar. If they didn't have the Fusion Dance and Super Saiyan 3 then Super Buu would have killed absolutely everyone and then likely would have left Earth to go fuck with other planets. Hell, he might have gone to the World of the Kais to kill them. Super Saiyan 3 also allowed Goku to fight off Kid Buu for a while and he likely would have been a hell of a lot worse off without it since he might have died again or had been too injured to use the Spirit Bomb (of course, Porunga had one wish on standby but still).

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#587: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:17:39 AM

I mean, Goku held back against Kid Buu anyway, so.

And they didn't end up actually using the Dragon Radar, what with going to Namek, so.

edited 28th Jul '15 11:18:00 AM by unnoun

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#588: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:22:57 AM

Except they did use the Dragon Radar to collect Earth's Dragon Balls. After they make the first wish, Goku pops in and tells Shenron to save the next wish till later because the others jumped the gun.

Also, holding back against Kid Buu means jack shit. Just because Goku held back doesn't suddenly mean that his 400x power boost is suddenly a 100x power boost.

edited 28th Jul '15 11:23:47 AM by Zelenal

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#589: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:25:11 AM

You got the sequence of events wrong. They did that before Majin Buu was threatening West City.

After Goku cancelled the wish, he took them to the Lookout, then Babadi called and found out where Trunks lived, and Bulma, who evidently didn't have the radar with her (somehow, for some reason) said plot stuff.

Also, I don't see how a wish that was completely pointless disproves my point?

edited 28th Jul '15 11:30:15 AM by unnoun

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#590: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:29:29 AM

Also, consider this:

Since Goku's alive, Vegeta has exactly no reason to demand a fight for him that day since he doesn't have a 24-hour time limit. Because of that, Vegeta never goes Majin, he never fights Goku, and Majin Buu never awakens. So, okay, everyone wouldn't be fucked but the story sure is.

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#591: Jul 28th 2015 at 11:31:02 AM

And, really, if Kid Buu couldn't even kill Vegeta or Hercule. I don't think it's that big a deal.

Since Goku's alive, Vegeta has exactly no reason to demand a fight for him that day since he doesn't have a 24-hour time limit. Because of that, Vegeta never goes Majin, he never fights Goku, and Majin Buu never awakens. So, okay, everyone wouldn't be fucked but the story sure is.

Some people might consider it a good thing.

And, frankly, I feel like Great Saiyaman would still end up being a thing so I'd be fine with it.

IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#592: Jul 28th 2015 at 4:27:32 PM

Even if Goku doesn't have SSJ 3, Ultimate Gohan should still wind up happening and saving the world. More importantly, with no fusion, Super Buu has no one who will give him a large enough power boost to match Gohan quickly enough that Gohan can't overwhelm and instakill him before he can do it. He'd need to absorb both Goku and Vegeta to match Ultimate Gohan, and they're both far too skilled and experienced to be absorbed by Buu.

So, basically, without SSJ 3 or Fusion, there's absolutely no way Super Buu can beat Ultimate Gohan.

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#593: Jul 31st 2015 at 12:02:22 PM

Chapter 1 of "Tales of the Monkey Queen" is now up. It'll be up on Shark's FF.net account as soon as he can get to his computer. If things go as planned, you can expect a new chapter every Friday at 3 PM ET.

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#594: Jul 31st 2015 at 12:53:58 PM

If FF.net would stop being an asshole about the formatting, that is.

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#596: Jul 31st 2015 at 2:48:03 PM

There's a spelling mistake in the paragraph in which Bulma is talking about her car. She's 'Blma' in that line. Also, "it was her car" is a clumsy way to express yourself. "It used to be her car" is probably more along the lines of what you're trying to say.

'Weird lineage' is also... not that good. Try "Weird tradition", which was probably what you intended.

Also, Bulma manages to shove Goku out of the way. Goku, who can withstand being hit by a car without being moved very much, just got shoved out of the way by a completely normal teenaged girl. Not happening.

The world's largest chocolate fountain? Why is Bulma thinking of wishing for that instead of the perfect boyfriend, like she did in canon?

Also, how do you explain Goku wanting to bring her grandpa back to life, when in canon he didn't really care all that much about the wish? You need to actually provide a justification when things are different, otherwise, it's not you deliberately making something different, it's you getting things wrong.

That's what really separates changes people can buy and changes people will think are mistakes.

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#597: Jul 31st 2015 at 2:50:49 PM

The chocolate fountain thing is the start of a running gag. Every time we switch to Bulma's perspective and she thinks about what she's going to wish for, it grows increasingly ludicrous and trivial.

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#598: Jul 31st 2015 at 2:59:52 PM

But that's still a difference from canon that doesn't really make any sense. Particularly considering Bulma is the richest person in the world and her wish would have to be something she can't buy or create herself... like a perfect boyfriend.

This is a girl so smart she created a radar that tracks small stones across the entire frikkin' planet. While we were still learning how to spell our names, she was being smart and repairing spaceships!/Terl

TL;DR: For that gag to work, the wishes have to be something Bulma can't make or buy.

edited 31st Jul '15 3:02:43 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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IAmNotCreativeEnough himitsu keisatsu from asa kara ban made omae o miru Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: GAR for Archer
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#600: Jul 31st 2015 at 3:16:47 PM

But they shouldn't get to that level. They should start there and work their way up.

After all... why the hell would Bulma go out on a quest for a chocolate fountain, when she can have an unlimited supply of the stuff whenever she wants? Bulma's wish isn't just a thing you can relegate to a running gag. You're forgetting the very simple fact that Bulma's wish is the driving force that started the entire plot.

edited 31st Jul '15 3:17:25 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

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