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I hate to disagree with that quote, it's actually really nice, but Mr. Satan didn't really contribute much against Cell. You could tell Gohan was going to go SSJ 2 any second then. It was only a matter of time. The only thing Mr. Satan did was prevent anyone else from dying for the transformation to fully trigger.

edited 22nd Jun '15 3:26:20 PM by LOLypop1224

Actually, I got the impression that Gohan was having trouble "opening the flood gates" so to speak. He still lacked that final spark to cross over, even with his dad and friends being clobbered. 16 helped break that last wall, and Hercule made that happen.

To the characters, Mr. Satan saved the world right then and there. And then he went and saved it again against Majin Buu. Twice.

So after a discussion on the main thread about good old Yamcha, I got to thinking about two potential nails during the Saiyan saga:

• Yamcha doesn't drop his guard and avoids the Saibaman, then manages to kill it, winning his fight (Toriyama says the only reason he died is because he got cocky, and that he could have won). Without the former's death, Krillin doesn't go for the big attack that wipes out the whole group, and thus the one on one fights continue, with the Z warriors possibly holding out until Goku comes (or at least, less of them dying until then). They might even avoid losing Piccolo.

A lot of stuff could spiral out of control because of that.

• the second nail is King Kai not botching his calculations on how much time Goku has, so the latter isn't as late. Maybe it can still take a day at the least, but if Goku arrived sooner, less of his friends might be dead, and who knows where the story could go from there.

I can see someone more pragmatic straight up killing Vegeta in both scenarios, and without the trip to Namek, Piccolo's people might be wiped out, but they'd never run afoul of Frieza. Also, the Androids might be a lot less powerful ( and maybe even more controllable, since it was their power that made Gero have difficulty keeping them in line).

Lots of thoughts on this one.

Why would the androids be less powerful? Gero made them without knowledge of what occurred on Namek.

Your ideas means Freeza would successfully become immortal. That's horrible.

Also, Cell would wreck their shit.

Oh right.

Forgot about him.

And yeah, the Androids would likely be just as powerful as before because Gero made them that strong without knowing what happened on Namek. Without it, they'd be far stronger than the Z Warriors......in addition to not having Trunks to warn them unless he got a new dad, but then he'd likely be dead due to not being part Saiyan.

Cell would only lack Frieza's ability to survive anywhere, but would still be way too powerful to fight.

So I guess it's a good thing Yamcha died.

I'd argue whether or not Freeza would actually become immortal. The Namekian dragonballs were password locked and required the wish be made in Namekian. And the Namekians were incredibly uncooperative, to the point that Freeza wiped out almost all of them. It's very possible that he'd end up wiping out their entire race and not getting his wish.

edited 11th Jul '15 12:37:09 PM by Hyp3rB14d3

Freeza's a very patient man. He got other Namekians to talk about the Dragon Balls and where they're located and all that. If he wasn't being pressured by someone killing all of his men, he'd probably be able to get someone to talk eventually. Of course, Guru might have died by then but who knows.

Forgot about that.

Well, I suppose it's a toss up, but I'd wager on Frieza not getting his wish anyway.

I think you mean sadistic, not patient. Freeza always struck me as incredibly impatient.

Freeza is about as patient as the spoiled brat that he is.

Either way, even if the Namekians talked, Guru would kill himself the moment he felt Freeza summon Porunga...

... Or Whis would show up to interrupt him because an Immortal Freeza is something you definitely do not want happening, no matter who you are.

....

Would Whis do that?

And that raises and interesting question: Could Beerus destroy and immortal Frieza? I mean, immortality implies you can't be killed at all, but often, there's always a way to skin a cat, and Beerus is a god. It wouldn't surprise me if he could still kill an Immortal.

Though now it occurs to me that Revivl Of F shows that Frieza as an immortal holds the same danger that Vegeta does: he can just keep getting stronger and stronger, until he might even be a threat to Beerus.

That being said, if Whis does get involved, even if he's too late, he can just rewind time to before the wish, so Frieza can't really win.

How far back do you think Whis can rewind time?

Oh yeah, I forgot about Whis and Beerus. They'd certainly step in if he became too dangerous.

Nothing says a God of Destruction has to destroy just planets......

Would have been nice to have him around when Majin Boo was slaughtering Kais.

Then again, there's no guarantee he would even help, but Buu was also kinda stealing his job.....

Now that I think about it, Cell would have ran into the same problem wouldn't he? Goes around wrecking planets, Beerus says QUIT STEALING MY JERB!!!!

The thing is, there has to be a balance. Too much destruction is just as bad as not enough. This is why Whis knocked out Beerus at the end of BoG and why Whis restored that planet in Resurrection "F" and presumably why Beerus was planning on killing Freeza and why Beerus had Freeza kill off the Saiyans.

While it's uncertain whether or not he would take part personally, I'm fairly sure Whis would make it so that problematic individuals and entities were on top of Beerus' Shit List.

I don't think Buu was something they considered a 'problem' because Beerus could kill it whenever he wanted and it was basically a beast with no higher functions.

Even Cell, I can understand them keeping out of his way until Cell becomes a legitimate challenge to Beerus (and I do believe he would, eventually), at which point Beerus will seek him out just to have a fun fight.

However, I very much doubt that they would just let people become immortal. Not good for business, that.

So in other words, guys like Frieza were doomed from the get go (and once again, we receive proof that Garlic Jr is shit. Whis didn't try to stop him because he knew the latter would keep fucking himself over).

Yep.

The nail that sticks out too much gets hammered in.

Happened to the Saiyans too.

You know Namakians are crazy op as a race if they can cause at least some difficulty for beings such as Beerus and Whis with almost no training at all.

Come to think of it a real good system for defenders of Namak would be to wish complete immortality for a certain number of years on a strong warrior. I mean as long as you choose trustworthy warriors and don't let them know details of dragonball activation/locations it could work really well.

I suppose Freeza could still just blow up the entire planet if he really wanted though.

Had a neat little idea of a fun scene that could be put into an alternate take where Supreme Kai meets the gang.

"You know, I've always wanted to meet a Saiyan. I must say, West Supreme Kai did an excellent job."

"On what?"

"Creating you."

I think you mean invulnerability. Immortality for a set number of years isn't immortality.

Temporary immortality is a thing. It just means they can't die for a set amount of time.

They're also not necessarily invulnerable. Garlick Jr. can be killed. He just revives right afterward.

Shenron most likely can't prevent someone from killing you, but he can cast permanent Auto-Res and permanent Regeneration on you.

edited 13th Jul '15 3:06:37 PM by IAmNotCreativeEnough

So what if Bulma was thinking of stopping the Saiyans and remembered one of her dad's science magazines and sent a fax to Dr. Gero to ask for help?

That would be interesting.

I'm pretty sure Gero would use the opportunity to try to kill Goku as soon as the latter shows up. I can picture him being short sighted enough to not care about the fate of the planet.

I mean, what was his plan after he killed Goku anyway?