Kill La Kill

Anyone who can wear transformed Junketsu or Senketsu gets all of my respect.

Podtaku just ripped Kill La Kill a new one during their latest podcast dedicated solely to the show, but then, I knew they pretty much hated its guts when they saw the pilot. G Arkada was pretty much the only member in the discussion to argue against the hate.

edited 21st Apr '14 8:07:16 AM by kyun

Meh, can't please everyone.

They would do well to read this thread.

... if they hated it so much, why didn't they just drop it??

Because controversy means more views, and views equal money?

Because if you review something but you don't watch it all, people get on your case and be like "yeah but you didn't watch the whole thing! It got better! How can you say you hate X without watching X?"

Of course then you get people asking "But why did you watch X if you hate X?" You can't win.

Right, yeah. If reviewing is your job, then you will often find yourself reviewing stuff that you personally dislike.

I'm kind of amazed I have to explain this, actually. Haven't you ever read a film review section in a newspaper or magazine? Do you really think that, say, Roger Ebert sat through Ballistic: Ecks versus Sever because he honestly expected to enjoy it?

edited 21st Apr '14 10:14:03 AM by Iaculus

Yeah, that video is a waste of time. I just jumped around random parts of the video and it comes off as harmless at best and bitching at worst. It doesn't really contribute anything meaningful besides the already obvious fact that different people have different preferences.

The one thing that I will note is that they are all extremely black and white about it. Granted they are all critics and need to be objective, but they seem to have missed some of the underlying emotions behinds some scenes because "Oh it has boobs in the frame, therefore it is designed to arouse and nothing else"

Basically, it's Goat Jesus's Madoka review all over gain.

Yet both got a whole bunch of comments praising their views on the shows. Is being contrary to the general opinion suddenly viewed as intellectual nowadays, since you are going against the majority, which automatically makes you more intelligent?

The ironic thing is that as individual reviewers, I enjoy and tolerate them most of the time.

I'll probably watch that later, but do any if them have anything noteworthy to say?

Having listened to it, their problems with the show were inconsistent animation, the tone being all over the place, Ryuko not really changing as a character, the fanservice, the first 17 episodes feeling rather pointless, Mako ruining the seriousness of scenes she interrupted, it stretching their suspension of disbelief too far, and it being overhyped.

Basically complaints that have already been made and have been elaborated on better by other people.

Ok those actually are legit complaints, so I'll probably take a look at it later.

Most of those things were intentional I think. I think alot of what people didn't like is they tried to take it more seriously that you were supposed to.

Well is there anything wrong with that? Just because something is intentional by the creator doesn't mean fans aren't allowed to analyze what they think of it.

I happen to like using my brain to critically analyze something, even if I'm being told what I'm analyzing "isn't worth it", and I like listening to other's people thoughts as well, especially since I liked KLK and I'm curious on what other people think about it, so I kind of like having more to listen to than just "It was mindless fun, kthx bai"

In other news...wow I didn't realize how much of a Base Breaker Mako could be, because this isn't the first time I've heard the complaints in how she ruins some scenes. I personally didn't mind her in the first half, and the second she does admittedly get some good moments, but overall she just seemed to naturally fit in the craziness of the show.

"People ask if I can just enjoy a movie and turn my brain off! ... what?? No! I'm using it!" - Lindsay Ellis.

They DO have a point. People are really talking about Suspension of Disbelief, which not everyone can even do because they can't fathom not ever letting things go if they appear stupid or silly.

Oh look, people with opinions on the Internet. Should I care because they recorded their voices?

Anybody that tries to take this show completely serious are going to find tons of stuff to complain about. And seeing as I heard that video was 4 to 1, I'll pass.

It's not much of debate or discussion if there isn't an even side.

I remember just asking myself "Is this good storytelling" after every episode past 18, because Suspension of Disbelief was just going wild. My brain went from "Ok, I can get over that" to "WHAT THE HELL AM I EVEN WATCHING"

Also, they made the obvious DMC comparisons with Ryuko and Satsuki...except I kind of disagree, if only because...well with Dante and Vergil, neither of them are particularly interesting; Dante is...well, Dante, but Vergil was more or less a stoic Dante. We didn't even get an idea of his character until DMC 3, and according to the chronology, he seemingly dies afterward.

Now Ryuko & Satsuki, Ryuko more or less is Dante, just a more benign version...and a hell of a lot more angsty, but still good and entertaining. Satsuki is just...completely different from Vergil, in that she actually goes through and evolves as a character by the end of the series. Its pretty easy to say she had the strongest character arc of all, and that's something I really can't say about Vergil.

,: If you have nothing to say, why did you two even post?

edited 21st Apr '14 12:56:17 PM by BlackYakuzu94

I agree with them all on one thing: the show should have been half that length. Hell, when it started, I really did think it was only 13 episodes just by looking at it. The pace was so fast I had assumed they were trying to get in as much plot and comedy as they could within a limited time frame! ... and then when I heard it would be 24, I was baffled at how much more stuff they could possibly put into the show than they already had. Plus, they really COULD supress their budget so they could make the animation better.

edited 21st Apr '14 1:00:40 PM by kyun

That I will agree with too, mainly because, yea...I wasn't really that hooked on the series until the second half. It takes 3/4's of the series to go anywhere, and that's just way too much time. Having 12-13 episodes would have helped them pace it better.

And its nice to know they agree that they agreed that Ryuko & Satsuki had the best dynamic of the entire show, even before The Reveal. I love rivalries with a hint of that sibling like relationship, makes it more humane.

13 episodes could have worked, but you would have needed to make some concessions from the version we got. I think this would make a good sleek 16 or 17 episodes by eliminating the fluff.

Also, I kind of disagree with the turn off your brain notion. While this is a good popcorn show, if you just mindlessly go through it, you miss a lot of little things, especially the piles of references to older manga/anime and Japanese culture, which is where something like the inconsistent animation has a bit of a charm to it because it reminds me of older stuff. Sliding a cel around a background to simulate movement was something that happened quite a bit in old shows.

One way I view it is as a contracted Magical Girl/Shonen Battle Series. In fact, I see a lot of anime and manga of those genres suffer from a lot of similar problems, mainly the element of seemingly pointless arcs, pacing issues and static characters, but because KLK does it over a shorter timeframe (ie a couple of episodes) than other shows , it exaggerates the issue.

Sisterly reunions are so cute and sweet to see! :3 :3 :3

I still think Mako shouldn't be changed. Also, they clearly don't see how her family was the only thing close to "home" that Ryuko had up to that point, and who brought out the first signs we see of Ryuko's personable, warm side. Maybe they only remember the guys peeping in on her.

edited 21st Apr '14 1:10:27 PM by kyun

Well keep in mind, they didn't really find Ryuko that interesting compared to Satsuki to begin with, and hated Mako so I can understand them missing that point.

But yea, without Mako & her family, the show loses a lot of heart. You can complain they ruin the serious scenes with Mood Whiplash all you want(and to an extent, that is true), but Ryuko would arguably be an even less interesting character without them around, and some of the best humor of the show comes from them.

It'd be a completely different and more serious show without Mako honestly.

edited 21st Apr '14 1:19:14 PM by BlackYakuzu94