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Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#1926: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:07:38 AM

What the fuck is a Jeremy Clarkson and why should anyone care

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Morgikit Mikon :3 from War Drobe, Spare Oom Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
Mikon :3
#1927: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:10:24 AM

Apparently he was on a show about cars, according to the other wiki. He also dreams of having boobs.

edited 28th Jan '16 9:11:03 AM by Morgikit

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#1928: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:11:22 AM

Oh man. A show about cars.

That makes him an expert. My bad. Makin' room for the pros now.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Elfive Since: May, 2009
#1929: Jan 28th 2016 at 9:15:05 AM

Well, it was sort of about cars.

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#1930: Jan 28th 2016 at 7:13:54 PM

Wasn't he fired for assaulting his boss?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#1931: Jan 28th 2016 at 7:40:51 PM

Yep he was fired from the BBC, but Amazon gave him a new show anyway.

I will say that he did acknowledge that assaulting his boss over not getting a steak for dinner was an asshole thing to do and that the situation was one of his own making. Some of his fans didn't even manage that.

edited 28th Jan '16 7:42:02 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#1932: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:27:08 AM

From a post in The Global Refugee Wave and Migrant Crisis thread:

"no, we have no problems with homosexuals, but we don't want to treat their marriages under the same tax rules because those exist to encourage the building of families".

Did they consider that homosexuals can adopt and thus build families?

At best, I could see this happening to a country trying to raise its birth rate...

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#1933: Feb 17th 2016 at 2:47:14 AM

They tell the screws they want to be women, they get a bit of make-up and some breasts to play with and they are then transferred to a women’s prison, where they can spend the rest of their lives being a lesbian. It’s every man’s dream.

Now I want to do a 'Jeremy Clarkson or TERF' quiz...

Corvidae It's a bird. from Somewhere Else Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
It's a bird.
#1934: Feb 17th 2016 at 5:47:43 AM

I don't know enough about Clarkson to tell if it's intentional or not, but I can't be alone in suspecting that the article actually has the opposite message of what you'd think at first glance, can I?

At the end, it basically goes "But none of the above really matters anyway."

Still a great "screw depression" song even after seven years.
Elfive Since: May, 2009
#1935: Feb 17th 2016 at 6:56:39 AM

Jeremy Clarkson is an utter buffoon but you can't help but feel that his heart is in the right place.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1936: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:22:06 AM

So, in one week Switzerland will hold a vote on a referendum named Für Ehe und Familie – gegen die Heiratsstrafe to change the Swiss constitution to guarantee that married couples and unmarried ones are treated equally in terms of taxes.

Thing is, the definition of "married couple" in the proposed text does explicitly apply to "woman and man". Meaning that this initiative would install an explicit discrimination against same sex couples in the constitution.

(Currently, Switzerland does not have full same sex marriage, but since another referendum in 2005 we have "registered partnership" which does have some but not all privileges of ordinary marriage)

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Elfive Since: May, 2009
#1937: Feb 21st 2016 at 6:29:08 AM

So currently gay couples can't get married except in that weird way that is more or less the same thing with a different name because apparently calling it marriage is the important bit, and they're proposing making it constitutional that the tax laws treat them as if they were married, but if they do then they'll never be able to let them get married properly because they've worded it such that they only get the same treatment if they aren't?

I can see how this could end up being a mess.

Antiteilchen In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good. Since: Sep, 2013
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
#1938: Feb 21st 2016 at 7:34:54 AM

Currently married couples often pay more taxes than non-married ones because their wealth is counted together, pushing them in a higher income class. However, they pay less in insurances. So they already have to pay less overall than non-married couples.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1939: Feb 28th 2016 at 9:41:25 AM

This initative has failed - 49.2% votes in favour.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#1940: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:22:58 AM

[up] Yay! Sounds bad that the vote was so close though.

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1941: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:26:14 AM

It may also had received a majority of cantons - Ständemehr - in support.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
BlueNinja0 The Mod with the Migraine from Taking a left at Albuquerque Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
The Mod with the Migraine
#1942: Feb 28th 2016 at 10:48:17 AM

[up] What does that mean, for those of us that don't live there?

That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#1943: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:11:04 AM

Initiatives in Switzerland need two majorities - a nationwide majority (Volksmehr) and a majority of all cantonsnote  voting in support (Ständemehr).

Seems like this initiative failed the Volksmehr part.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#1944: Feb 28th 2016 at 11:31:57 AM

Ah, a regional balancing measure I see?

Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.
Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#1945: Feb 28th 2016 at 3:17:02 PM

Surprised at that, to be honest. Would have thought it to be the other way around. *shrugs*

Dare I ask how Fribourg voted? (I'll go look, actually... And, while I'm doing that, may's well check on St Gallen and Appenzell for kicks.)

EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#1946: Apr 2nd 2016 at 3:16:07 AM

Cross-posting from the British Politics Thread:

Kezia Dugdale - the Scottish Labour leader - revealed her partner is a woman in an interview. This means that Scotland is now the country with the most LGBT+ political party leaders in the world, with 4/6 (Conservatives, Greens, UKIP are the others).

That's a pretty impressive statistic. And yes, you did read that right, our centre-right and far right party leaders are led by an openly gay woman and man respectively.

Nice to see Scotland flying such an impressively progressive flag!

edited 2nd Apr '16 3:16:20 AM by EruditeEsotericist

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#1947: Apr 2nd 2016 at 6:56:14 AM

What's the LGBT makeup of the Scottish Parliment? I know that Westminster is the most LGBT at in the world.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
EruditeEsotericist Since: May, 2015
#1948: Apr 5th 2016 at 10:28:15 AM

[up] I'm not sure, but Scotland must be close to Westminster. Not many countries can say that their two main right wing parties are led by openly LGBT people (one a woman, at that)

Putting this one here rather than in Video Games due to its relevance. Baldur's Gate, that classic RPG, has a new expansion pack after 17 years. And it is getting horrendous reviews - because it introduces a transgender character (I'm aware the article title uses the wrong term).

Sickenng to see such a horrible reaction, that exposes just how homophobic the gaming community remains. Tread carefully reading the article unless you have a very good A/C, as those comments (as in, the reviews that are quoted in the body article text) do not make easy reading.

edited 5th Apr '16 10:29:27 AM by EruditeEsotericist

Silasw A procrastination in of itself from A handcart to hell (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
A procrastination in of itself
#1949: Apr 5th 2016 at 11:10:07 AM

I be be carful with the gaming press, they have a tendency to amp up, seek out and bullshit about social issues being the reason for bad games failing. The gaming press are in bed with developers something big, this may well be genuine but be very wary with games journalists.

If nothing else I'm curious as to who the hell decided to imbed the video of some assholes being an asshole into their article, link it as a source, don't imbed the dam thing and give the assholes more views, that's seems a lot like the Sun/Mail with the "we're sorry but these pictures are so scandalous that we just had to show you them".

Also note how they admit that on the on largest online gaming platform the game has positive reviews, also the one platform where you have to own the game. That indicates that the actual gamers may well be happy with the game and have no issues with the inclusion of a transgender character, however the Internet assholes brigade are their own force and not always gamers.

edited 5th Apr '16 11:12:54 AM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
DrunkenNordmann from Exile Since: May, 2015
#1950: Apr 5th 2016 at 11:19:30 AM

While browsing through the Steam reviews, I noticed that a lot of the flak the expansion gets is for lots of bugs and "bad writing" in general - and yes, some of them cite the transgender character as an example of the latter. Not even the character herself, but the way she's written seems to be a problem for some users. I can't really judge if the character is really badly-written or feeling shoehorned (mostly because I'm not an authority on how to write transgender characters in a good way) but there seems to be a lot of cherry-picking going on in regards to the user reviews the author chose for his article.

edited 5th Apr '16 11:20:42 AM by DrunkenNordmann

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