Complaining: Wasted Song

Cut this shit.

@Timing, sounds good to me.

Agree with Timing.

Agreeing with Timing.

Here's a crowner for Timing's proposition. I'm also for it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Hold the phone for a second.

First of all, what are you guys agreeing with me on? I'm confused.

Second of all, the option in that crowner is what I clearly stated WAS NOT MY PROPOSITION AT ALL. Reread my posts.

Third of all, the crowner should be page action, not single prop. Other options have been mentioned in this thread, and they need to be available.

EDIT: Made a new crowner. Please vote there instead.

edited 15th Apr '13 4:49:54 PM by MyTimingIsOff

Are we still having issues with the crowners where pasting them to the thread doesn't work?

Due to that DDoS from a while back, yeah. Crowner hooking doesn't work at all.

Yup; crowners can be created, but they can't be hooked without breaking. Linking the crowner in-post is as good as can be done for now. Putting "(CROWNER)" in the thread title will help as well.

edited 16th Apr '13 9:28:43 AM by Willbyr

Bumping for more votes.

Is the crowner ready to be called? It's been stable for a while, and none of the winning options are mutually exclusive.

I just cast my votes and they were for the ones that were already leading anyway. If it's been stable the whole time anyway, then I think it's ready to be called.

Yeah, considering everything is around a 75% approval rating in there, I think we can move forward.

edited 22nd Apr '13 5:05:57 PM by shoboni

Can I add an option to rename the trope to the crowner?

I personally would prefer to have an entirely separate crowner for renaming. We don't have to do everything at once. Redefining is definitely the top priority here; let's focus on that part first.

edited 22nd Apr '13 11:39:00 PM by MyTimingIsOff

Are we ready to call this or what?

Yes, you can; the crowner is supposed to allow multiple kinds of solutions. But it would have been more useful if you had done that earlier, shortly after the time the crowner was made.

Bump. I think we can call this.

Three winning options:

1. Make the tone of the page less negative and remove examples that are just complaining.
2. Redefine the trope to be about when a long song is composed for a work but gets much less screentime.
3. Mark as Trivia

I would like to specify that the "gets much less screentime" with regard to video games would be "if you're just playing the game" or "such that most players won't hear the whole song". A three-minute long song that only plays in an area that takes 30 seconds to cross, for example. You could stop in that area and listen to the whole thing, but there's no reason to do so in the game. Stuff like that should still count.

I think it's already meant to be #2 and it just needs reworded. I'd see about working in notable covers too, like the Highlander one mentioned(Queens cover of "New York, New York" that was never released in it's full form.)

edited 9th May '13 10:01:38 AM by shoboni

Confirm that. "Song is much longer than its actual on-screen use" is the intended definition; this really just needs a cleanup.

@#3: The ratio for the trivia option (8:5) isn't good enough.

That's nearly 2:1, it seems good enough to me.

I don't think taking a result from a crowner as good enough is good enough.

edited 11th May '13 9:07:24 AM by AnotherDuck

I will point out that No Trope Is Too Common. Yes, this is used in many many works. It's essentially an audio version of All There in the Manual. The trope you seem to be defining is that a song was written specifically for a work, but only part of the song appears in the work proper. Correct?

Either way, I think 2:1 is a clear vote.