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Since we've gotten told to stop talking generally about religion twice in the Homosexuality and Religion thread and were told that, if we want to talk generally about religion, we need to make a new thread, I have made a new thread.

Full disclosure: I am an agnostic atheist and anti-theist, but I'm very interested in theology and religion.

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edited 9th Feb '14 1:01:31 PM by Madrugada

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#12476: Dec 4th 2015 at 2:36:38 PM

[up][up]Raise you All Hallows, Goodmanham. There are thoughts that it's fundamentally Saxon on top of a converted pagan-Celtic foundation (so, there's no telling how old it is as a place of worship without actually disembowelling the whole thing). Also, it's right close to a cracking pub with a microbrewery: beer and church — classic combo. wink

edited 4th Dec '15 2:45:18 PM by Euodiachloris

MABfan11 from Remnant Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#12477: Dec 4th 2015 at 2:49:31 PM

personally i think the Egyptians are the best

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#12478: Dec 4th 2015 at 2:59:35 PM

Nah: not a single place, but... Saharan rock art. Some of it probably makes the pyramids look like bright, young things.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#12479: Dec 4th 2015 at 3:08:11 PM

Those are some cool album covers.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
MABfan11 from Remnant Since: May, 2014 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#12480: Dec 4th 2015 at 3:45:57 PM

holy shit! those are as old as the Göbekli Tepe

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#12481: Dec 4th 2015 at 3:51:24 PM

There's the sub-Saharan lot, as well. Some of the motifs are startlingly similar to the better-documented Saharan ones.

However... some things the south does older. Check out Blombos. Ritual or not, it's about the oldest place we've got that shows we were doing far more than cutting and eating a long, long time ago.

It was a place of ritual for thousands of years before Homo sapiens hit Europe. Religious or not, it's something. Oh, and those cross-hatches? Still popular in African art... heck, the ancient Egyptians got millage out of similar patterns in similar colours.

edited 4th Dec '15 3:54:10 PM by Euodiachloris

DeMarquis Since: Feb, 2010
Krieger22 Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018 from Malaysia Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: I'm in love with my car
Causing freakouts over sourcing since 2018
#12483: Dec 6th 2015 at 7:34:18 AM

The leader of the Global Movement of Moderates claims that "controlling" Shia Muslims and other non-Sunni schools of thought was required to develop Islam in Malaysia. Yes, these people call themselves the Global Movement of Moderates. This is why "moderation" is hardly ever taken seriously in practice...

edited 6th Dec '15 7:34:29 AM by Krieger22

I have disagreed with her a lot, but comparing her to republicans and propagandists of dictatorships is really low. - An idiot
Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#12484: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:10:17 AM

This is why "moderation" is hardly ever taken seriously in practice...

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#12485: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:28:56 AM

I remember back when "Palestinian Moderates" was code for "Folks Who'll Bend Over For Israel".

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#12486: Dec 7th 2015 at 7:57:06 AM

I'm a little late to the "pretty buildings" topic, but when it comes to Constantinople, I'll take the Cathedral of Sts. Sergius and Bacchus (a.k.a. "the little Hagia Sophia"): it's smaller than Hagia Sophia, but much better proportioned.

TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
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#12487: Dec 7th 2015 at 8:03:53 AM

Wierd. On map, HS seems a lot neater than its counterpart. Either way, the photographs don't do it justice.

I'm more of a Blue Mosque fan myself. But it wouldn't exist without its predecessors.

edited 7th Dec '15 8:08:17 AM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#12488: Dec 9th 2015 at 10:23:31 PM

First time in this thread.

In regards to Shinto, do they have something similar to the Christian Ten Commandments?

SpaceWolf from The Other Rainforest Since: Apr, 2012
#12489: Dec 9th 2015 at 11:04:10 PM

I'm not sure, but they almost certainly have a phrasing of the Golden Rule, because it's found in all major religions.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#12490: Dec 9th 2015 at 11:18:02 PM

[up][up]Not really. The State Shinto has tried to codify the amorphous blob, but the thing about Shinto is that the practice and expectations vary from shrine to shrine, sect to sect as well as between the various regions of Japan.

And, then there's Folk Shinto: the stuff that just bumbles along pretty much ignoring most authorities trying to mess with it. tongue

Short answer: Shinto has guidelines that are subject to change within context, not commandments.

HallowHawk Since: Feb, 2013
#12491: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:16:38 AM

[up] So it has nothing against adultery?

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#12492: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:22:00 AM

[up]

Avoid serious sins such as lying, murder and adultery. Generally avoid anything that increases "impurity" of mind, body and spirit. However, as said above there's no real moral code or dogma.

Si Vis Pacem, Para Perkele
TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#12493: Dec 10th 2015 at 2:34:00 AM

Yeah, I find the sexual aspect of "purity" very annoying. It's certainly more... hygienic. Less risky, epidemics-wise. But, you know, people should just get their shots and use protection.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#12494: Dec 10th 2015 at 3:03:38 AM

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But all those fluids and other...things. Eewww.

Hilariously scatological the creation story of Japan is.

edited 10th Dec '15 3:03:54 AM by TerminusEst

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TheHandle United Earth from Stockholm Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA
United Earth
#12495: Dec 10th 2015 at 3:14:25 AM

I dunno, plenty of people eat their own boogers and don't have their self-esteem drop because of it.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#12496: Dec 10th 2015 at 3:20:21 AM

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But it's their own. Can't trust other peoples bodies.

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hellomoto Since: Sep, 2015
#12497: Dec 10th 2015 at 3:26:00 AM

The purity thing probably came about when there wasn't reliable medicine and protection.

TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#12498: Dec 10th 2015 at 3:29:22 AM

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Or you know, don't touch dead people or blood (anything nasty really) as you might get sick. Even with reliable medicine, people don't go out and try to get themselves infected. Usually.

edited 10th Dec '15 3:29:56 AM by TerminusEst

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Elfive Since: May, 2009
#12499: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:17:37 AM

Outside of a chemical context, most definitions of purity are just meaningless drivel.

Aszur A nice butterfly from Pagliacci's Since: Apr, 2014 Relationship Status: Don't hug me; I'm scared
A nice butterfly
#12500: Dec 10th 2015 at 7:17:50 AM

Which religions forbid people of their religion to marry people of other religions?

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

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