Feminist Frequency (old thread. Locked)

Unrelated to absolutely anything going on, you all should watch Orphan Black.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

It certainly read like it was a sore spot for him. And if it was, you should've tried to respect that.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:05:14 PM by Robotnik

I feel like it needs to be pointed out that not everyone arguing against Zennistrad necessarily knew he had Aspergers. I certainly didn't.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:06:43 PM by Mukora

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

Most of these posts came after he admitted it, so that excuse doesn't work. Neither does "I'm not neurotypical either, so that must mean he should be okay with it".

edited 12th Apr '14 8:10:00 PM by Robotnik

When did he admit it? And was it in this thread?

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

I don't think I've seen anything said here that would specifically upset someone with Asperger's.

And don't say non-nuerotypical. That completely defeats the point of the word nuerotypical.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:10:59 PM by DrStarky

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He's said it a few times before. But big thread, not everyone's gonna read the entire thing, lots of tl;dring...

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Intersectionality needs to be pointed out here. Just because you're lacking in one privilege area, doesn't mean it negates all the others.

I cut up one dozen new men and you will die somewhat, again and again.

He admitted it a few pages ago, in this thread.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:11:49 PM by Robotnik

Fair enough, then.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

See, the problem I have here is that you're essentially saying that the thing that hurts you is more hurtful overall. You claim that it's less hurtful to attack white men because they're more powerful, but you can't possibly know how hurtful it is because you're not a white man. How can you argue that others who aren't you shouldn't be offended by something? Can you really decide for other people what they should or shouldn't feel offended by?

This is why I feel that it's important to try to understand other perspectives. You can't simply dismiss other people's feelings on the grounds that they're part of a different group, since you can't experience that yourself.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:20:01 PM by Zennistrad

I knew he had Asperger's from the beginning. I don't see what difference that makes.

Put me in motion, drink the potion, use the lotion, drain the ocean, cause commotion, fake devotion, entertain a notion, be Nova Scotian

That may be your opinion, but in my own, if you're going to try and talk to somebody who isn't neurotypical about these things, you could not possibly have picked a worse method than the one you were just using.

If you don't see the difference, I don't know what else to tell you.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:19:38 PM by Robotnik

Zennistrad: I clarified being a muslim because of the general rule of "you can make fun of people if you are part of that group." Using examples that don't pertain to you can sometimes be very using-other-people-as-props

edited 12th Apr '14 8:19:11 PM by MrAHR

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And the thing is if you make your post public to everyone you're going to talk to a lot of non-neurotypical that might be more hurt by said post than a neurotypical person. I don't see how the argument "but I didn't know he wasn't neurotypical, why should I cater to his needs?" isn't a privileged position in and of itself.

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Thank you.

So explain to me why what you just said here is okay.

And after that, explain to me why hurtful words are somehow a higher moral priority than hurtful tropes, stereotypes, or systems.

How do you figure? Where do you have the right to accuse that? I'm just using the exact logic that's being applied by Zennistrad. His argument is literally that it's not okay to lash out for any reason, ever, and that there is never any just cause...AT ALL...for being less than civil and polite.

With that said, my request is completely genuine. If that's the logic you're going to abide by, then abide by it.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:25:10 PM by KingZeal

Robotnik: If Zennistrad is indeed angered by this, or hurt by this, then why don't you let him say so? You seem to be talking over him a lot, especially since he himself said he was fine, just a tad frustrated :T

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Believe it or not, I don't really agree with Zennistrad's position myself, at least not all the time. But I think that was a personal thing for him to admit, and I'm very angry over how people here responded to it.

If he's not upset, he's not upset. But I just plain don't think he should have been spoken to that way.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:31:15 PM by Robotnik

But the thing is he's fine with what you say, but his feelings on "extremely nasty venting" he's not cool with because it bothers him a lot and makes him feel hurt.

Here's a question. An angry woman in a moment of venting said "Men should be raped!" loudly in a public place. A man with PSTD from sexual assault is in earshot. That triggers him. Who's the one at fault here? Is it both? Him? Her? Neither? Honestly this is a sincere question because it's bugging the hell out of me since this line of conversation started.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.

This.

@Zeal:

You're right, what I said there wasn't okay, and I apologize for that.

But what I want you to understand right now is that you had every right to call me out on it. Just because I have Asperger's and am thus "less privileged" in some ways doesn't give me automatic protection from being called out on saying something hurtful. Just because I am not neurotypical doesn't mean I'm protected from the consequences of my speech because I am upset or angry.

I recognize that, despite being less privileged than a neurotypical person, I am held just as accountable for what I do and what I say. And I believe that's the way it should be, because to not hold me accountable for having lesser privilege makes me feel that I am am not powerful enough to deserve to be held accountable.

edited 12th Apr '14 8:34:25 PM by Zennistrad

I'd blame her, personally. But then, I've been sexually assaulted, and draw a strong line at anything concerning it.

I have to ask why you'd even think it would be his fault, though. I can see points for neither being at blame, but not that.

"It's so hard to be humble, knowing how great I am."

I don't know I just felt like including all the potential answers. Kind of like an offensive multiple choice question.

The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.

Most people, even pro-venters, draw the line at calls for physical violence, assault, or suicide. I've often seen blogs on tumblr engage in lengthy, vitriolic, angry arguments with people, and then making a post towards their followers going "WTF STOP SENDING THEM DEATH THREATS JUST STOP"

edited 12th Apr '14 8:35:32 PM by MrAHR

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