Feminist Frequency (old thread. Locked)

Yes, you are, you...

By trying to say that the condition is that it has to be respectful, when you show no respect for the opressed groups in return.

Of course, it can range anywhere from calm contempt to boiling outrage.

edited 12th Apr '14 6:23:20 PM by Worlder

Well, the thing about hyperbolic venting is that it's really not a justifiable excuse for saying something truly nasty. When I was a teenager I wound up being permanently banned from a website for making a death threat towards someone I got really pissed off at.

Did being upset give me a lapse of judgment? Yes. Did I have any means of making that threat a reality? Not at all. Did I still get in trouble for it? You can be damn sure that I did.

Words are not powerless things. Words hurt people. If you say something that is truly hurtful, you cannot expect people to not take issue with it, no matter what your background is or how you feel.

Dictating the terms means forcing people to conform to certain terms. That's not the same thing as criticizing people for going about something in a way that is disrespectful or hurtful. You can still refuse to be respectful if you really want to, there is literally nothing stopping you.

A personalized direct death threat is a tad different than a blanket statement done in a none direct manner. The two are not equivalent.

Like for instance, if I say

"God...I hate men" it's a bit different than saying "I hate you, Zennistrad." One will get me banned from tvt, and one will not.

And on that note, I love this post and I'm bringing it back.

That is indeed a very good post. I need to bookmark it and have it on hand for other conversations I have similarto this one.

Hatred only begets hatred.

But sometimes catharsis and venting are just necessary. The only reason anyone gets mad about it is because it's done in public, where they can see it.

Hatred's just a feeling.

Oppression's a bigger issue. Something that can actually be changed maybe.

And on that note, I love this post and I'm bringing it back.

I really dislike this post. I really, really dislike this post. I do not approve of the idea that people should not be held accountable for saying something hurtful just because they're upset.

It doesn't matter what your background is or how you feel, if you say something hurtful, you are saying something hurtful.

Well that post is the truth, you hate it because you dont want to aknolage that....

If you are hurt by the fact that society as a whole oppresses people, and that folk get mad about this injustice, I don't know what to tell you.

Or he hates it because he holds a different viewpoint.

Your viewpoints however can not override how people feel, and how they act because of those feelings.

If my veiw is people should not cry when they are sad, there is no way for that to overide that they actualy do.

And shifting blame away from, or trying to difuse the blame for things you care about is an instinctive human reaction.

edited 12th Apr '14 7:02:11 PM by Imca

So Zennistrad.

Do you believe that Sarkessian has said anything hurtful towards or about the videogame community?

If you already answered this question I would like to hear it again.

Zeal

Oh boy.

We should treat the frustration that oppressed people go through with sympathy instead of telling them to be nicer to their oppressors.

No social change was brought on by asking nicely.

If you want change, then you have to act a little disruptively.

edited 12th Apr '14 7:10:40 PM by DrStarky

Zeal you win the thead.

The cattiness in this thread is reaching maximum threshold.

*cisgender. Current folks are trying to make Transgender and Cisgender the commonly use terms, without the "ed" in order to make the terms more properly describing folk (yellow paper vs. yellowed paper)

edited 12th Apr '14 7:20:16 PM by MrAHR

Right, sorry about that. I apologize if I got that wrong.

What happened is when people started insisting it should be about accepting the mistreatment and responding with, "Thank you for treating me like dirt because I do not have a penis what else may I do to keep you happy"

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edited 12th Apr '14 7:26:30 PM by Imca

Zennistrad's not a standard straight, white cismale anyway, because he's admitted to having Asperger's. You think he might be upset because you're deliberately pushing his buttons?

edited 12th Apr '14 7:31:19 PM by Robotnik