Women's Issues

Adjustable breasts got removed in a game, angry gamers claimed censorship and hounded a random person in marketing who had nothing to do with it.

Said random person got fired around the same time with a vague bullshit-like excuse, so a lot of people suggest she got fired over said hounding. Considering these days the trend is "drop the 'controversial' person like a hot potato" and people get fired over mob harrassment left and right, their excuse looks even flimsier. So far, the "a mob got a person fired" has been happening to bigots of some kind, so people dropped their guard, foolishly assuming it'll keep happening only to bigots.

P.S. Adjustable breasts never worked in a game, as far as I've seen. They're always between "back-breaking" and "having their own gravitational pull".

edited 6th Apr '16 2:18:56 AM by Luminosity

On that Trump post....who seriously believes that Trump supports women? That man seems to think of his wife as more as an object to boost his fucking ego which should be rather indicative about what he thinks of women. And now an ex-wife is saying that he raped her at one point....

It's pretty sad that I am not surprised....

edited 6th Apr '16 3:17:31 AM by Bleddyn

I've met a disturbing number of women in my community's tea party circles that worship the ground he walks on and say shit like "Just look at how pretty his wife is, no way she'd stay with him if he wasn't supporting her." Or on the other side of the coin, "Hillary is a dyke who wouldn't even please her man so he had to get an office slut to satisfy him."

We're still blaming women for not pleasing their husbands?

Unfortunately this doesn't surprise me. Red Pill Women are a thing after all.

I googled "Red Pill Women" and found a subreddit...

How are they related to the misogynism we see here?

If a woman expects her husband to be the main provider in their marriage, I'd say he can expect her to please him in return.

That is zero excuse for cheating. How is "not pleased by spouse" any actual reason for cheating?

What's going on here is claiming cheating is okay because the wife "didn't do her job". What no. Why and how do people think that?

edited 6th Apr '16 7:29:53 AM by hellomoto

There are plenty of married men and women who seek other people to satisfy their sexual desires because their spouse doesn't please them sexually. and for many people sexual pleasure is an important part of the marriage.

Because 'X person wants sex, Y spouse won't put out, X person will just go somewhere else.' Is common logic that people use in general, sometimes to justify their own actions. Can replace sex with 'personal time' or any other thing really too.

It's actually quite common in relationships to have some kind of an issue if one person's drive dies out before the other, even if it's a 'work too much' thing.

It's kinda a big thing in the east for married couples who are still together. There are always stories cropping up about couples who have a kid to secure their family line then private life just dries up. They stay together to raise to kid(s) but one or both of them will have casual sex outside of the spouse. Many times it isn't even really a secret.

edited 6th Apr '16 7:58:05 AM by Memers

By the way, "cheating" is a loaded term. And one (or both) partners in a marriage looking elsewhere for sexual satisfaction doesn't automatically mean the marriage is failed. Also, my point was that if you expect something from someone, that person can expect something from you in return, at least in a somewhat equal relationship.

Is cheating a loaded term? I mean, it's only cheating if your spouse doesn't know or approve of it. Both of those are bad things. If you're open about it with each other, there isn't really a problem apart, maybe, from how others see your relationship.

Relationships are about trust and whatever works for the people in question. If both partners are fine having an arrangement where they might see other people every now and then and both parties have no problems with this, I don't see a problem.

My current girlfriend said she wants me to hang with other women and have other sexual relationships, for a few reasons like it wouldn't be fair for me because she is the second woman I had sexual relations with and due to bad experiences she had with her ex husband, which are things I'd rather talk in private.

But she gave me the green light to sleep with other women and not count as cheating as long as I let her know and that is a green light I don't really know what to do with.

I said to her I wouldn't be comfortable with her seeing other guys and I wouldn't like to see other women while I am with her.

edited 6th Apr '16 10:57:49 AM by AngelusNox

Personally, I wouldn't be comfortable with my partner seeing other people, and I'd have no desire to go see other people as well. I'm kind of a sentimental person, so I don't really want any kind of "open" arrangement in that sense. But what other people feel comfortable with, is up for them to decide. As long as everyone consents and nobody is feeling hurt people can do what they like.

edited 6th Apr '16 9:57:18 AM by wehrmacht

Far be it for me to side with the kind of people that were attacking her - people I have vocally criticized at length on this site, some of whom are associated with a certain forbidden topic - but...uh....

Nintendo says she was terminated because of an unstated second job she was moonlighting under a different name for, which piques my curiosity. There are only a handful of jobs I can think of that would necessitate using a fake name; that's not a condemnation, however, as some are entirely benign. Strippers and prostitutes use stage names all the time, but so do actors and models. It's an entertainment thing and thus is not, in and of itself, condemning.

Meanwhile, the controversy in question involved her being publicly shamed for being pro-pedophile which, while I will always disagree with the tactics of publicly shaming women, I can't deny that having a Nintendo spokesperson publicly outed as supporting pedophilia casts a terrible light on a company that's focused on entertaining children. It's the kind of thing that should never have been done, but once it was done and was out in the public consciousness, the association demanded a response of some kind from Nintendo.

edited 6th Apr '16 11:46:45 AM by TobiasDrake

As Jim Sterling pointed out, her thesis was written when she was an easily impressionable and not-so-coherent 20 year old, but if she was still making statements like that in 2015 then that's a little alarming and I can see why Nintendo would be so worried.

It merits noting that the 2015 tweet is almost harmless.

"Don't hate on men who like kids/kid things" is not inherently pro-pedophilia. It gains that association when listed next to the more glaring pro-pedophile comments, but does not necessarily prove that she still holds such views in 2015. That's a manipulative association.

To quote Dan le Sac, "Thou shalt not think that any man over the age of 30 who plays with a child not his own is a pedophile; some people are just nice."

edited 6th Apr '16 12:01:47 PM by TobiasDrake

I'd need to actually see the tweets to be fully informed, and I'm likely going to be shot for this, but... she's not unreasonable. "Child porn crackdowns" involve arresting minors for possessing "child porn" of... themselves. And protection of children from exploitation to begin with is infinitely more important than said crackdowns. Like it or not, our conventional way of handling teen sexuality and related issues is fucked up and deserves some criticism.

And "men who like kids" has been equated with "pedophile" too many times too. Ask any man who dated a single mother how many times they've been mistaken for a child predator when they hung out with said mother's child. As for "men who like kid things", it could just as easily refer to people such as bronies - men who have "unmanly" "unadult" hobbies who undeniably face prejudice for doing so. In short, I don't see how she's wrong.

She doesn't deserve harrassment and firing for this, especially considering it has been going on before discovering these and her harrassers purposefully dug up her statements to paint her as a pedophile. I could be wrong and misinformed, of course, but I'd rather not side with harrassers on this.

edited 6th Apr '16 12:07:54 PM by Luminosity

Well, there has been a push in US, Japan and Latin America to put things like drawning or 3D modeling of Lolicon porn into the same category of Child Porn, so her thesis isn't that far fetched.

Well it isn't like Nintendo doesn't have a vast fan base composed of lolicon fans and doujinish around their underage characters. Which bringing to light would be PR headache for Nintendo and having someone openly advocate the normalcy of people who are attracted to minors, even if they are fictional characters is just too much for any company, specially one that makes videogames targeted towards children and families.

On the other hand that wasn't the reason for why she was fired.

And Europe, especially the UK, which has actually done so.

edited 6th Apr '16 12:44:30 PM by Greenmantle

Doesn't the UK also censor porn that shows such terrible things as female ejaculation? I mean, it be kinda hypocritical to then allow depictions of minors, even if they're cartoons.

Yes, yes they do.... Because the politicians don't think it is real.

I think I'll just wait for the current discussion to end before commenting again. Instead, I'll post this totally unrelated youtube clip:

edited 6th Apr '16 1:06:20 PM by Corvidae

Is criminalization of lolicon porn somehow bad?

I mean, granted, a physical child is not harmed in the making of - I would normally come up with a snappy, obviously joking fake Work here but there's nothing funny about child pornography - but I'm still at a loss for any compelling argument regarding why such a thing should exist.

edited 6th Apr '16 2:50:13 PM by TobiasDrake