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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#4976: Sep 19th 2014 at 4:03:52 PM

If there is one other thing (apart from the fact that at least the baby lived) to be grateful for, it's that at 6 months the child won't remember the incident. Hopefully she gets into a loving home and only hears the story once she is old enough to deal with it properly...

Though I consider her mother to be the very definition of a hero, I do wonder what the right age to tell a kid that your mother died protecting you from your homicidal father.

Of course this doesn't help the older kids.sad

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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
Bird mom
#4977: Sep 19th 2014 at 5:51:53 PM

One thing I wonder, is why is it only men who decide to take down others with them when suicidally depressed. Women attempt suicide twice as often, but I seldom here cases where a woman pulls stuff like this? Tell me if I'm wrong.

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4978: Sep 19th 2014 at 6:36:36 PM

Culturally, men are raised to be assertive while women are raised to be passive.

Men are taught that if you are hurting, it is someone else's fault, and you should do something about that. Women are taught that if you are hurting, it's YOUR fault, because YOU suck. This is one of the dark sides of Men Act, Women Are.

edited 19th Sep '14 6:37:18 PM by TobiasDrake

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terlwyth Since: Oct, 2010
#4979: Sep 19th 2014 at 6:38:32 PM

Also, men are still far more likely to succeed in suicide, of any kind.

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4980: Sep 19th 2014 at 6:39:34 PM

Not really relevant to the question. However, that is also because men are raised to be more assertive while women are raised to be more passive. Men are more likely to use quick, violent methods.

edited 19th Sep '14 6:40:01 PM by TobiasDrake

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Gabrael from My musings Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
#4981: Sep 19th 2014 at 7:36:20 PM

There are many women who kill their families before they try to kill themselves.

In my state I remember Andrea Yeats? She drove her car into a lake, drowned her boys andthen claimed they were carjacked.

Another mom drowned her kids in the bathtub then failed to commit suicide by taking pills.

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Imca (Veteran)
#4982: Sep 19th 2014 at 8:18:48 PM

The reason men succeed more is men use guns more.

Guns are way better at ending a life then overdose, after all that is why they were made.

Just ask any cop, women will do there make-up, make themselves look pretty then take a bunch of pills on average.

Where as men just put a gun to there temples and pull the trigger.

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#4984: Sep 19th 2014 at 8:52:56 PM

I wasn't asking why they suceeded less, but why even though we make u the majority of sucide attemts, most murder-suicides are men.

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Imca (Veteran)
#4985: Sep 19th 2014 at 8:55:33 PM

Murder suicides might be the same reason though.

It is easier to kill others with a gun, then it is to forcefeed them pills as well.

If we removed fire-arms from murder suicides would the numbers be more even?

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4986: Sep 20th 2014 at 6:22:45 AM

[up][up][up] Oh, my god, the feels!

I'm sharing this.

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#4987: Sep 20th 2014 at 10:52:10 AM

Another thing to note is that in annihilation smurder suicides husbands do in the entire family while wives tend to take out only the kids and themselves.

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unnoun Since: Jan, 2012
#4988: Sep 20th 2014 at 10:54:29 AM

Patriarchy’s Magic Trick: How Anything Perceived As Women’s Work Immediately Sheds Its Value

I've worked in academia for a long time now, and I've noticed it.

So have other people.

Like anthropologists.

And it's probably the underlying reason for the backlash against women in nerd culture.

edited 20th Sep '14 10:56:00 AM by unnoun

probablyinsane Since: Oct, 2011 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#4989: Sep 20th 2014 at 11:51:58 AM

I now take fiendish delight that Rowling is the richest writer ever.

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4990: Sep 20th 2014 at 12:17:27 PM

[up][up] Yeah, I would agree with that.

This idea that to be female inherently makes you weaker is responsible for many of the self-sustaining Patriarchal values in our world.

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#4992: Sep 20th 2014 at 12:42:18 PM

Because, like many parts of the internet, they are nerds so thoroughly revulsed by Gamer Gate that they felt compelled to draw a line in the sand and say, "This shit is not welcome here."

Gamer Gaters paint the conflict like an outside invasion; as if the feminists of the world perked their heads up and started pulling strings to ruin gaming and keep the gamers down. But it's not. It's a civil war. The people most pissed off about Gamer Gate are gamers who are tired of this kind of misogynistic behavior being our public face.

More and more gamers are perking up and saying, "The rampant abuse of women in our culture needs to end."

EDIT: In response to the controversy, over 1,800 game developers have signed an open letter asking gamers to end the harassment in our communities, which is certainly a step in the right direction.

edited 20th Sep '14 12:47:09 PM by TobiasDrake

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Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#4993: Sep 20th 2014 at 1:35:43 PM

I'm taking a break from studying, and I like unnon's links. I'll have to read them more closely later.

[up][up] You know, it's really sad and fascinating to see, with great predictability, how people in the comments section of an article about sexism in gaming will personally decide what is and is not a problem with the industry despite glaring evidence to the contrary of what they say. Also, I can always count on seeing at least one woman saying "I've never been sexually harassed, so what's the big deal?". This comment is usually followed by people suggesting that we all grow thicker skin, that there's a mute button, that it's just the way the internet is (despite the apparent fact that many of these hostile online views actually find their way into meat space quite often), or that the industry is by men for men and shouldn't be pressured to change because social justice warriors got their feelings hurt.

But yeah, comments from female gamers that attempt to downplay the very real problem with sexism in the gaming community is pretty frustrating because it's such a painfully obvious error in logic.

Internalized bigotry is one of the greatest obstacles to civil rights and social justice.

edited 20th Sep '14 2:11:22 PM by Aprilla

Imca (Veteran)
#4994: Sep 20th 2014 at 1:45:48 PM

I am kind interested now, did racial movements also have internalized bigotry problems?

MrAHR Ahr river from ಠ_ಠ Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
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#4995: Sep 20th 2014 at 1:48:10 PM

Cracked is a mixed bag. It largely depends on the writer in terms of how feminism is dealt with. They tend to be not so good with issues on race, for example.

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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#4996: Sep 20th 2014 at 1:51:20 PM

They're trying.

They are, however, predominately white and male, with some exceptions. This means that, like a lot of white male social rights advocates, myself included, they're not always entirely sure how to go about things and can easily wind up with Foot In Mouth syndrome.

edited 20th Sep '14 1:51:35 PM by TobiasDrake

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Sixthhokage1 Since: Feb, 2013
#4997: Sep 20th 2014 at 1:56:20 PM

And Cracked is a comedy website, so they're going to do things in a way that they can crack jokes about which is not necessarily going to be the most accurate way.

Aprilla Since: Aug, 2010
#4998: Sep 20th 2014 at 2:10:15 PM

I am kind interested now, did racial movements also have internalized bigotry problems?

Absolutely. Any movement will have opponents to that movement who are part of the group being oppressed.

Just so we're clear, when I'm talking about internalized sexism, I'm not talking about women who enjoy being stay-at-home moms or women who like to cosplay as scantily-clad characters. I'm talking about women who refuse to acknowledge the collective harm in ubiquitously presenting women as sex objects, as mentally unstable, as incompetent or as birthing machines.

edited 20th Sep '14 2:16:54 PM by Aprilla

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#4999: Sep 20th 2014 at 2:15:19 PM

Snobbery cuts across race, gender, and orientation too.

edited 20th Sep '14 2:15:27 PM by Achaemenid

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5000: Sep 20th 2014 at 2:17:01 PM

Nothing precludes someone being a bigot about anything.

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