If that's the case then there's even less reason for discussing whether it is working of not then, which I see is just a distraction.
No, the other one.
What would be a reasonable step from that would be to see what kind of activism works the best, or that may just be me.
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The previous discussion was not done in that context though.
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And that's why I really like World of Warcraft's ignore feature. Just wish it wasn't limited to 50, last time I played it years ago.
I think some forum programs have such a system too. Tumblr has it too, I think.
It's "ignorance is bliss" in one-click.
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Criminalising coercive control will not help victims of domestic abuse.
An article by Julie Bindel in the Grauniad about a proposed new British law to criminalize coercive and controlling behavior as well as physical harm.
Much 2nd waver. Interesting perspective though.
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Why is that some feminists (for some reason they tend to be dudes...) go through every work with a fine-toothed feminist comb, and if they find something even slightly objectionable, they do long rant on a message board about how the authors are reinforcing the patriarchy and they're disgusted with this?
I mean, I don't even care whether I agree with them, that just gets old.
The offended for some one else problem seems to be big in general for some reason.
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I mean, I don't even care whether I agree with them, that just gets old.
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Things tend to be a bigger deal to people who are more personally affected by them. The trivial details you're talking about might not be so trivial to someone who's familiar with them/has experience of them/knows people who have had problems with similar stuff.
What's precedent ever done for us?
Are you implying dudes who do this aren't morons?
And you had to turn this into a personal insult to me why? That's not even what I was saying at all.
I don't find this sort of behavior "objectionable", just pointless. It doesn't matter whether I agree with them, it's completely embarrassing to me to see a thread filled with dudes using feminist theory to gripe about their geek obsessions.
It's literally never productive, and...Feels kind of wrong to me, IDK.
I'm not sure what you're assuming I'm talking about, so to be more specific, "this character, out of hundreds and hundreds of other examples which are perfectly reasonable, is in a supposedly suggestive pose" inspiring a huge rant about sexual objectification, when they know perfectly well the authors aren't remotely sexist. I mean, not to imply someone couldn't have a personal problem related to that, just clarifying.
In the pursuit of great, we failed to do good.
There can be sexism in an otherwise non-sexist work. Everyone is at least a bit sexist "thanks" to our culture.
I don't disagree with this. And like I said (twice), I don't necessarily disagree with them either.
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You talked about guys who use "feminist theory to gripe about their geek obsessions." I don't think using feminist theory (an academic theory largely developed by women) to critizize something is mansplaining.
edited 28th Aug '14 5:16:42 AM by baffu
Mansplaining doesn't have anything to do with the content of your opinion, or who came up with it.
It's an attitude. If a dude who feels they're an enlightened feminist who has all the answers and is offended by the suggestion that maybe, he should be a little less defensive of his dude-feminist identity isn't guilty of that, well it's still bad IMO.
And how is going and analyzing media through a feminist critical lens equivalent to such an attitude?
Some men are a White Man's Burden kinda feminist. Some aren't.
It would be better to provide tangible examples then judge accordingly.
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If they were doing such a thing, maybe it wouldn't be.
But the maturity level of those discussions tends to be quite a bit less, even if they aren't aware of it. It's part dick-waving contest and part daisy-chain.
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Dude, you obviously have a particular incident in mind. Just post it so the rest of us can respond in an informed manner rather than playing guessing games.
What's precedent ever done for us?
We were playing guessing games? Sorry, didn't notice.
Yeah, I had a couple incidents in mind, but I'm pretty sure that'd go against rules for importing drama to link it here.
Then please don't start drama here with your cryptic and disjointed spats.
We do need to talk about the direction and leadership of feminism. I firmly believe anyone can be an ally to human rights, but the leaders advocating for issues to a specific group, be it women, Koreans, Catholics, Native Americans, LGBT, whatever should be of that demographic.
Men can be strong allies and encouraging cheerleaders to feminism. But the leadership should ultimately be women. I do think there are those with good intentions, but do take a White Man's Burden approach. We have to save feminism and speak for the women since they don't have power instead of just backing off and giving women power.
It is a problem Zeal brought up in the Racism thread about how whites don't always know how to be proper allies to minority rights and progression.
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It's an attitude. If a dude who feels they're an enlightened feminist who has all the answers and is offended by the suggestion that maybe, he should be a little less defensive of his dude-feminist identity isn't guilty of that, well it's still bad IMO.
One of the key characteristic of mansplaining is a man speaking to a woman. If the target audience of the said man are other men than that automatically is not mansplaining. You cannot mansplain to another man. There's no "high power downbeating a lower power" in term of gender there.
It only works if his defensive attitude is towards a woman who pointed out a mistake he made (and I am working under the assumption that you, Cassidy, is male, because that's what I remember you/someone else mentioning).
The proof that the activism we have is working is the fact that it's working. Things are changing for the better for women, in ways that no progress was made towards prior to the activism. The example proves its own existence by virtue of existing to be an example.
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