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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#301: Jan 29th 2013 at 5:08:15 AM

Now this is interesting: the vice-President of the European Commission, the EU's executive branch, has written on her blog (about the Swartz case) that "if our laws, frameworks and practices stand in the way of us getting all those benefits [of the internet age], then maybe they need to be changed." (the boldness is hers, by the way).

I really hope something comes of this. The EU is the world's largest market, and the world's largest economy. If an EU-wide directive (or, even better, a regulation) that actually did something intelligent with regards to IP law and the internet came into effect, we would hopefully see the setting of a new international standard.

edited 29th Jan '13 5:08:44 AM by Achaemenid

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
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#302: Jan 29th 2013 at 5:59:24 AM

[up] That could easily cut both ways. I can see that statement as being an endorsement of harsher piracy laws.

Medinoc from France (Before Recorded History)
#303: Jan 29th 2013 at 6:02:51 AM

[up]Out of context yes, but with the rest of the blog post, it's unlikely.

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Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#304: Jan 29th 2013 at 6:09:35 AM

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In context:

This was a man who saw that greater openness can be good for citizens, and good for society. Hugely disruptive – but hugely beneficial.

For me, the case is particularly clear when there aren’t copyright issues, when information was already paid for by taxpayers, and when more openness can help new innovations and scientific discoveries.

I would never condone unlawful activity. But in my view, if our laws, frameworks and practices stand in the way of us getting all those benefits, then maybe they need to be changed.

Agree or disagree with his methods, Aaron could see the open direction we’re heading in, and its benefits. In the meantime, those scientists who are paying tribute by making their own work legally, openly available aren’t just showing their respects – they are also benefiting scientific progress.

The emphasis is hers.

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DrTentacles Cephalopod Lothario from Land of the Deep Ones Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Having tea with Cthulhu
Cephalopod Lothario
#305: Jan 29th 2013 at 6:22:21 AM

...Well, I'm lazy. And tired.

Yeah, that's a lot more unambiguously positive.

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#306: Jan 29th 2013 at 12:52:19 PM

On that note: my uni has just talked about their new Open Assess Policy. This means that when I publish papers I can now have people assess them, for free, and potentially more delicious citations.

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#307: Jan 29th 2013 at 12:55:50 PM

[up]You're just out for the ego trip. wink

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#308: Jan 29th 2013 at 1:35:08 PM

Researchers typically subsist on a diet of pizza, soda, and ego. wink

edited 29th Jan '13 1:35:41 PM by Pykrete

IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#309: Jan 29th 2013 at 1:42:07 PM

Well, that and citations are the lifeblood of researchers. tongue You do not get work if no one knows what you've done.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#310: Jan 29th 2013 at 7:28:00 PM

Researchers typically subsist on a diet of pizza, soda, and ego.

You forgot the crushed dreams of freshmen.

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RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#312: Jan 29th 2013 at 8:58:35 PM

[up][up] Hey, unlike my colleague who sits behind me I have yet to have a minion of my own.

TomoeMichieru Samurai Troper from Newnan, GA (Ancient one) Relationship Status: Mu
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#313: Jan 30th 2013 at 12:11:07 AM

Ira, what's your course of study again? I want to say you're a fellow history major.

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IraTheSquire Since: Apr, 2010
#314: Jan 30th 2013 at 1:44:38 AM

[up] I'm working on aluminium alloys. tongue

edited 30th Jan '13 1:44:54 AM by IraTheSquire

Achaemenid HGW XX/7 from Ruschestraße 103, Haus 1 Since: Dec, 2011 Relationship Status: Giving love a bad name
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#315: Jan 31st 2013 at 3:43:40 AM

Back OT: Aaron Swartz Died for Piers Morgan's Sins. An interesting look at the scandal and the way the system works and who it works for, from Vice.

edited 31st Jan '13 3:43:53 AM by Achaemenid

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LadyMomus Since: Apr, 2009
#317: Feb 1st 2013 at 9:57:17 AM

^ That is extremely misleading.

While a lot of people unknowingly or accidentally violate computer laws, they don't "accidentally" download millions of research papers, hack into a network when they're discovered, and then sneak into a computer room to continue the downloads. There is a huge difference between violating a law you didn't know existed and making the choice to violate a law.

I agree that computer laws are in desperate need of reform, but trying to equate what Aaron Swartz did to the activities of the average computer user is disingenuous.

SomeSortOfTroper Since: Jan, 2001
#318: Feb 4th 2013 at 4:15:31 PM

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The prosecution said that Swartz had planned to make public millions of university research papers that had been sequestered by an information monopoly called JSTOR. The Internet was supposed to bring us freedom by making the world’s information available to all. No tyrant, no corporation, no commercial or political monopolist could keep vital information from the least village. Electronic democracy, the free flow of information, has always scared the crap out of the political and commercial oligarchs. SOPA and JSTOR were two of their responses.

If JSTOR were operating when Isaac Newton published, only a well-heeled elite would have the secret of thermodynamics. If Newton worked for Microsoft, we’d be paying a royalty for the use of gravity.

Just yesterday, I used JSTOR to look up university research papers on assault weapons. Thank you, Aaron. Because of Aaron Swartz’ planned emancipation of JSTOR documents, and the public disgust at his persecution, the JSTOR monopolists agreed to voluntarily release some (though not all) of this crucial research without charge.

Is this a joke? Seriously, is this a joke?

Colonial1.1 Since: Apr, 2010
#319: Feb 4th 2013 at 4:42:57 PM

"Monopolists"

Oh, such rhetoric.

Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest Since: Sep, 2009
NOT THE BEES
#320: Feb 4th 2013 at 5:11:32 PM

Well...it's kinda true. I mean, nobody should have any business charging you to access publicly-funded research.

Granted while JSTOR isn't open access, they've been pretty good about covering operating costs instead of extorting you for the hell of it.

Part of it is that the journal publishers themselves charge absurd amounts. A while back, Harvard had to stop subscribing to a ton of them because subscriptions cost in the tens of thousands of dollars.

edited 4th Feb '13 5:15:05 PM by Pykrete

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