Reddit Cofounder kills himself.

I was thinking of that same comic, actually, but couldn't remember the page number to link it. :)

(Ugh, page topper? Really? Such a waste.)

edited 27th Jan '13 8:49:56 AM by Karkadinn

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.

that news article claimed the 1337 h4k3rz got some data from the hacked site.

now if they could hack the controls of predator drones, then we'd have cause for concern, so far only iran can hack like that. XD

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~Ooooooo~ The hackers got data from (Dramatic gasp.) the website! What's next? Will they steal a burger fron McDonalds? Will they read a book in a bookstore without buying it? No one knows what travestry these eeeevil hackers will do next!

There was another article I read that had the entire text of Anon's statement. They claim to have secret files pertaining to some members of the Justice Department that they were going to release to the media.

I can understand if Anon actually wants to do some good (project Chanology serving as an example from what I remember), but honestly, I think they're going to get in waaaay over their heads.

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A few pages ago, people seemed to be implying that the suicide was intentional. This seems extremely unlikely to me. We don't really know why he did it, but it's not unreasonable to assume that the stress and worry of trial and likely imprisonment was a fairly major part of it. I don't think any suicide note or anything of the sort has been released to the public?

It does seem to me that the six months' sentence proposed by the prosecutors for a plea deal was within the boundaries of justice. He did something that cost a bunch of money and time, caused significant inconvenience by so doing, and deliberately evaded attempts to stop him. This is quite separate from any discussion of whether the stuff he was downloading should have been available to the public; if the site he had been bot-mirroring was public information, it would still have been extremely obnoxious behavior. Unnecessary, too; he could have downloaded the articles at a lower rate over time, so as not to overwhelm JSTOR. Nobody would have noticed, either.

That doesn't seem to have been his personality, though; it seems when he wanted to do something, he wanted to do it now.

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I maintain that this was a case of intimidating the suspect with something completely unreasonable to cow them into what they should be getting if found guilty. Yeah, he did wrong — relatively little and it amounted to inconvenience on the scale of routine maintenance. Six months is a generous upper bound of what he should've been threatened with at all for an offense like that, much less for cooperating.

edited 27th Jan '13 4:59:41 PM by Pykrete

Let's not forget that the injured party had no desire to prosecute, but they did it anyway...

On the subject of his suicide: No way he did it intentionally as an act of martyrdom. He was just a clinically depressed man who was bankrupted by legal fees before his case even made it to court. He freaked out and killed himself. No tactical thinking involved.

Yeah, this was the thing I was concerned about more so. Of course, they're probably BSing, but is it worth the chance?

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I'd think if they actually got files like that, they'd release them immediately. I mean the Feds would jackhammer them either way for a break-in alone, might as well get the truth out there while you're at it.

I seriously need to wonder if anyone ever actually gets arrested over these things. I mean, I would assume that the FBI would investigate this stuff. Am I incorrect in this assumption?

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Yeah, all the time. LulzSec got an atomic book thrown at them for attacking Sony, for instance, and suspected hackers are regular raid targets.

edited 27th Jan '13 9:26:33 PM by Pykrete

People keep saying this, and I have yet to see any evidence of it being true...

JSTOR didn't want him prosecuted, but they aren't the only injured party. I can't find anything that says MIT didn't want the prosecution to go forward until after Swartz killed himself... And since they were the ones that called the FBI to begin with, I highly doubt that they "had no desire" for criminal charges to be filed...

Wow. Ortiz was all sorts of out of line.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

This is what happens when a senior DA decides to grind an axe that doesn't need grinding.

Heck... for all we know, the Secret Service might have been lining him up as a consultant in future. <_< Quite a few hackers get promising careers in security that way. And, this guy had quite the CV. And, something to blackmail him into keeping to the straight and narrow with.

And... then Ortiz happened. <_<

edited 28th Jan '13 10:28:21 AM by Euodiachloris

...So they were prepared to cut a deal, then Oritz jumped in and said "Lol, nope," and pressed forward to prosecute?

...

...Wow.

Welp, all sympathies for her went out the window. Adios.

So, she decided to Make An Example Of him? What an example she made... She should be made an example of.

edited 29th Jan '13 1:05:57 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

I hope you're not leading into advocating violence. It just reeks of Internet Tough Guy.

Except for 4/1/2011. That day lingers in my memory like...metaphor here...I should go.

Think he's leading into advocating Laser-Guided Karma, which would probably mean that Ortiz gets harassed in the same manner that she harassed Aaron. No actual violence involved.

edited 28th Jan '13 10:03:25 PM by Psyga315

Eh, that's still not a reasonable or mature response. Certainly she did a bad thing, but I think karma has pretty much hit her now by more or less killing her political career.

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I'm advocating her actually facing criminal charges for this. Exemplary criminal charges, to "send a message" that you don't just bully someone into suicide and get away with it.

Don't feed the troll, Euo.

edited 29th Jan '13 2:11:52 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

Deserved worse than suicide? Seriously? Even for somebody with a history of depression, you don't lightly wake up one morning and think "yup: gonna do it today". You reach rock bottom where you're too miserable to do anything... and only start the process of killing yourself when you improve slightly. And, it takes months to hit that stage.

He was in psychological hell for months, mate, to get to that. Rough guesstimate: he'd need at about a year of applied stress to get there. Who knows how long he bumped along the bottom before the energy came to do it? <_<

Unless you know about the effects of depression, I suggest you don't toss around stupid comments like that, OK?

Despite what a lot of people like to believe (and tell themselves), suicide isn't easy. And, using that mind-set suggests you haven't got a bloody clue what it's like.

edited 29th Jan '13 2:09:19 AM by Euodiachloris

Worse than suicide? So what, are you advocating he be drawn and quartered? Torn apart by wild dogs? Crippled and left out in the woods to die of exposure? Flayed alive and burned?

Speaking of Ortiz, I leaned from this link in the article that there currently is a petition to have her disbarred.

edited 29th Jan '13 3:42:40 AM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."