Pokemon X and Y - Gen VI for the 3DS (SPOILER WARNING)

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Bribing Yveltal, obviously.

He's undead

I will never, ever not love how liberal Pokemon is with just retconning everything in.

Xerneas brought him back?

guys, we seriously, SERIOUSLY need to do something about the YMMV page. This is what the thing is going to look like going forward, and it's all knee jerk reactions that will get disclaimered and caveats added to it as people calm down. Do you honestly think YMMV stuff should be defined by the stuff people are saying NOW? The Base Breaker thing is inordinately long.

And the thing about unpopular old Pokemon returning taking up places in the dex is... ludicrous. They'd be programmed into the game ANYWAY. Their resources, moves, abilities, and models are already part of the game due to the gens being cross compatible. They aren't taking up a slot that could have gone to someone else, because they would have been there ANYWAY. What did you expect them to do, retcon Vanillite out of existence so we could get a new Kalos Pokemon? People aren't thinking.

People were just as upset and wrathful about things when BW came out, and while a lot of the stuff that's cooled down is still there, it's YMMV page is nowhere near as defined by "Wottergate" as the XY page is in danger of being defined by all this. Can Mega Gardevoir not exist for more than 24 hours before saying she shattered the fanbase into fine powder?

Yea that thing seems to get bigger every time I look at it.

Alright. A quick browsing lead me to pick Honedge and Mareep lines to round out the group. That would make three Mgea-Evolutions. Three guesses- wait... one guess as to which one I would give the stone to if it had to be one.

edited 5th Oct '13 11:02:12 PM by phoenixdaughterAM

You think the YMMV page is bad? The Headscratchers page is atrocious. Most of it is whining, answers included, and a lot of it is out-of-game or questions that doesn't make sense. Talonflame's name? Uhhh... why are we talking about Gamefreak's leaks in Headscratchers as is? That's unrelated to in-game stuff. I even left a note on the Discussion and asked for a lock so it can be fixed up.

Both pages need a serious overhaul.

Ampharos is far too fabulous not be the correct choice.

Well, they are taking up space, since they could have made Vanillite line post-National dex and added another three stage line there in the first place ...

But if the YMMV page is getting out of hand, well, meh. At least it's only on the YMMV page. At least it's not on the main page.

edited 5th Oct '13 11:04:47 PM by absolclaw

or a good locking if possible

edited 5th Oct '13 11:03:35 PM by MetaflarePrime

The games will be released soon, so it may be easier to fix them up after that.

But still, the natter is making me facepalm heavily. I'm going to rewrite my Discussion wording, since it comes off a little confrontational.

I'm leaning towards at least 90% of the YMMV page being purged, myself.

Rumours about Az circulating right now Rumors had it that he was related to Xerneas and Yveltal somehow, and 3000 years ago, Yveltal destroyed the Kalos region, and many of the Flabebe's line Pokémon sacrificed themselves to restore the land.

Another oneSome people speculate it has something to do with that cutscene that talks shows a Florette "dying" and talking about giving life to something. And then Az talks about "the flower Pokemon", so I guess he committed some horrible sin and is cursed to wander the Earth.

edited 5th Oct '13 11:08:41 PM by absolclaw

Sooooo...

He's definitely not N, then.

except no they aren't.

The rehional Pokedex doesn't have a fixed size based on programming or memory issues. The amount of Pokemon that can be encountered in game as opposed to is completely arbitrary, because the data for them is in the game no matter what. All Vanillite has is his slot unlocked early and line of code that says he appears in area-x as a random encounter. Saying him being in the regional dex takes away a slot that would have gone to another Pokemon is ludicrous because he's in the game anyway.

The only thing Vanillite could have done to make another Pokemon exist in the game would be for him not to be in it at all. No trades, no in-game encounters, nothing. They would have to program this Pokemon out of the game and made it so he could never be in it. Vanillite would effectively have to not exist for his resources to go towards an all new Pokemon.

edited 5th Oct '13 11:11:07 PM by TFRazorsaw

On pages, I really wish I would edit character pages with new info, but some one will come and delete them until the game officially comes. out. I feel pity to the guy(s) who need to (re)add info to the character page once the game comes out.

Are you even reading the complaints? It's not about the data it's about the Pokedex slot.

ALSO:

Az is a giant apparently.◊ Not hyperbole; one of the leaker's described his model as about twice as tall as the other character models

edited 5th Oct '13 11:13:25 PM by absolclaw

How does that work? If the data is already there it's basically just an arbitrary discussion on being in the Pokedex. Taking up a slot Pokedex doesn't mean some new Pokemon could taken it instead, that would requite extra work to make that Pokemon.

As far as I can tell, the complaint is - in the regional dex, there is a Vanillite, instead of what could have been a new Gen VI mon instead. Vanillite can still be in the data, just somewhere in the post-game. I don't see where all this arbitrariness about codes is coming in. And frankly I'm more interested in the giant, ancient hobo.

I can't quite wrap my head around that reasoning. There's presumably a small amount of new Pokemon partially because of them having to program all the old Pokemon in the game. Whether they have an old Pokmemon fill a Pokedex slot doesn't change that.

Has nobody caught a Flabébé?

I don't get what you're arguing about either.

"Oh no, we can't possible add more Pokemon into the regional Pokedex! Whatever shall we do?"

Well I'm not arguing this anymore since it seems pretty arbitrary to me anyway.

I don't think so, it seems they've only seen Flabebe's line rather than have Pokedex entries on them at least.

edited 5th Oct '13 11:21:01 PM by absolclaw

The sprites (or models) in XY's case, .pkmn data, and everything else are the bulk of what constitutes the Pokemon's data in XY. Because 3D models are more complex, they take up more space than sprites, which combined with everything else, mean XY is a lot bigger memory wise than every generation before it, and the ability to render all this is in the game by default, or has space allotted for it, in the case of individual .pkmn files (this is different from the general models and other memory data associated with each Pokemon).

All a pokedex entry does, or an in-game encounter does, is provide an instance for the game to generate and load this data so one can view it. This is infinitesimally smaller than the actual data for the Pokemon. And since people expect to be able to have all access to every single Pokemon in the past, they had to make sure there was room for these Pokemon by default and plan the rest of the game accordingly.

Vanillite being an in game encounter would have had absolutely NO effect on whether or not another all new Pokemon could be added or not. He was part of the game data anyway, as is every other 600+ pokemon in existence.

edit - we're not talking about adding more to the Pokedex. we're talking about adding Pokemon to the GAME. The pokedex is just an interface. The Pokemon you can catch in game or prior to getting the National Dex is nothing more than a collection of possible random encounters and an arbitrary headcount. It has no bearing at all on how many new Pokemon they could have put in.

edited 5th Oct '13 11:23:46 PM by TFRazorsaw