There was talk about renaming the Krugman thread for this purpose, but that seems to be going nowhere. Besides which, I feel the Krugman thread should be left to discuss Krugman while this thread can be used for more general economic discussion.
Discuss:
- The merits of competing theories.
- The role of the government in managing the economy.
- The causes of and solutions to our current economic woes.
- Comparisons between the economic systems of different countries.
- Theoretical and existing alternatives to our current market system.
edited 17th Dec '12 10:58:52 AM by Topazan
Dollar Tree to buy Family Dollar for 8.5 billion USD.
edited 28th Jul '14 7:39:03 AM by tclittle
"We're all paper, we're all scissors, we're all fightin' with our mirrors, scared we'll never find somebody to love."Google searches hold key to future market crashes
Eating a Vanilluxe will give you frostbite.That is very clever and very useful. Kudos to them for looking at that, and hopefully we can get better data along those lines.
Expergiscēre cras, medior quam hodie. (Awaken tomorrow, better than today.)Problem is if they manipulate the results and/or if they start servicing other corporations/companies who might have...questionable motives.
Let No Crisis Go to Waste and all that...
Robot-like actors with overly rational minds. Sounds like Austrian economics right there.
"Companies should have the right to discriminate and pay employees as low as they want. After all, if there's a demand for products made by companies that treat people right, those products will sell and companies will learn the value of non-discrimination and decent pay. Otherwise, oh well." - my brother, paraphrased
There are economists actually believing/promoting this?!
They never learned the Golden Rule...
Reminds me of the bounteous wonders student socialists and commies told me we'd all enjoy "after the Revolution".
Schild und Schwert der ParteiStill waiting on that workers revolution. I'm hungry.
Oh really when?@Bonsai: "Rational actor theory" is a staple of neoclassical thought, of which Austrian is simply the most dogmatic.
I generally agree with the things that author wrote, with the exception that economics can provide useful models and theories, as long as, like any science, they are tested against reality with frequency and gusto. There's no inherent reason why we shouldn't be able to build accurate models of aggregate human behavior, other than the fact that the people who are supposed to be building said models are too often blinded by ideology.
As Krugman has taken many pains to point out, we had the exact models we needed to deal with the 2008 crash: they were in Macro 101 textbooks across the nation. All the Very Serious People, however, had long ago chosen to ignore those textbooks, hence the appearance of the utter failure of the economics profession.
edited 29th Jul '14 2:31:00 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"@Quag: To be fair, the Golden Rule doesn't work if you're willing to answer "okay, sure" to any challenge.
The right of the individual to conduct his business however he pleases for mutual profit has been a sacred canon since it came to replace mercantilism in the 1800s.
Interestingly, Keynesianism has been deemed by some as an example of Neo-Mercantilism.
edited 30th Jul '14 12:15:39 AM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnThere's kinship, but I don't really buy it whole cloth. Mercantilism is about reducing the power of rivals as much as it is about using the economy as a tool of state power.
I'd argue that Keynesianism, instead, is the use of state power as a tool for benefitting the economy.
edited 30th Jul '14 12:04:07 AM by Ramidel
Argentina's due to Default. Again.
And an Interesting article from The Economist: The M4 corridor -- Glass half empty
London’s great suction machine affects the south too
Politicians and urban planners obsess about growth in big cities. Huawei’s gleaming office is a reminder that a sizeable chunk of Britain’s economy is propped up in places such as Reading. The region stretching along the M4 and M3 motorways, as far as Swindon and Winchester (see map), produces 8% of Britain’s economic output—as much as the metropolitan areas of Manchester and Birmingham combined. The computing and telecoms firms clustered in out-of-town business parks pay well; unemployment is rare. Yet even here, London’s economic magnetism can be felt. Rather than pushing out jobs, the capital increasingly sucks them in.
Between 2002 and 2012 output per head in the Thames Valley Berkshire local enterprise partnership area fell from 178% of the national average to 164%—still very good, but a considerable drop. House prices have inflated more slowly than in England as a whole. At the end of last year 14% of office space in the region was empty—more than in many northern cities. Many white-collar jobs appear to have been replaced with worse-paid ones.
Firms used to move to the Thames Valley from London. Increasingly, they arrive from other, less geographically favoured towns. Huawei used to be based in Basingstoke in Hampshire. A host of similar businesses are moving out of older office blocks in towns such as Bracknell and Woking to newer business parks, says Jon Neale of Jones Lang LaSalle, a real-estate firm. Better connections to London, shiny new facilities and a more urban feel are part of the draw. As well as offices, the Green Park complex where Huawei now resides has a regular shuttle bus from Reading station and a nursery school.
Where offices are older and journey times longer, though, jobs are disappearing. In Swindon, a town of 212,000 people some 80 miles from London, about 6,000 jobs were lost in the ten years to 2012, even as the town’s population grew by 16%. Commuter trains heading east are packed in the morning, says Mike Conner, who runs AppsBroker, a tech company. But the ageing offices near the station are empty. The main appeal of Swindon for his firm, he says, is that “it’s the cheapest spot on the M4”, largely thanks to the absence of bigger competitors.
What has caused this change? One reason is that the IT support jobs once common in these places have been moved offshore, says Sandra Jones, of Ramidus, a property consultancy. At the same time high-skilled vacancies are increasingly advertised in central London. A growing cluster of telecoms firms is taking root near Paddington station. Vodafone put its headquarters there in 2009, moving 200 executives from its offices in Newbury, a town in West Berkshire. Nokia followed in 2011, shifting staff from Farnborough.
Executives based in London can more easily meet investors in Canary Wharf or the City, as well as advertising firms, consultants and the like. Adrian Griffiths, a businessman from Swindon, says the town where he is based has everything he needs for his plastic recycling start-up, except for finance: “There are no angel investors here, not one. So two to three days a week I have to go to London.”
And the technology industry is changing. Huawei notwithstanding, much of the energy is in startups, which tend to employ small teams of young, city-dwelling developers rather than large numbers of middle-aged engineers. Creating smartphone apps requires less lab space than developing new silicon chips, and the firms that do it want to be close to their competitors so they can poach staff. That helps to explain why Google is opening its new offices in the capital rather than outside it.
The pull of London is not everywhere irresistible. Cities such as Cambridge and Brighton have thrived in recent years. Their universities—and the accompanying restaurants and nightlife—help them to attract the urbanophile young. In Reading, local officials hope to pull off the same trick. Crossrail, a new railway which opens in 2019, will help commuters get to London, but it will also urbanise the town’s core. New offices and restaurants are already under construction near the station, which is being rebuilt. Some startups are based at the university. And nearby Heathrow airport may expand.
Things will not be so easy for smaller towns such as Bracknell, or for more distant ones such as Swindon. As London’s magnetism grows, they are likely to see more jobs pulled away, just as small towns in the north are struggling to compete with cities such as Manchester and Leeds. Their best hope then will be to become commuter towns for more successful cities, which cannot expand much because they are constrained by green belts. Perhaps those empty offices might become homes.
edited 30th Jul '14 3:27:25 PM by Greenmantle
Keep Rolling OnDouble Post:
I'm just curious of peoples' views of these Schools of Economics:
- The Historical school of economics
- Thermoeconomics — which applies the Laws of Thermodynamics to Economics.
Both those schools sound like they have a good sense of realism compared to much of the modern discipline. (And don't treat the other sciences like inbred relations.) Really, I find myself baffled by why social factors, actual resources, etc. don't seem to be really accounted for.
edited 31st Jul '14 8:17:03 AM by PotatoesRock
The historical schools seem to be examples of the various movements to reject classical and neoclassical economic thought, which makes them very important, if not particularly influential today. Those Wikipedia articles offer nothing concrete in the way of statements or predictions, so it's impossible to judge them empirically. Same with the thermoeconomics idea.
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Yeah, it'd be nice if there was more info.
The Paychecks of US Workers are beginning to pick up.
edited 31st Jul '14 11:00:33 AM by PotatoesRock
There's an interesting quote in The Other Wiki's article:
So, I'm not sure there's going to be much in the way of predictions, almost certainly not using mathematical models — but I'll see if I can go and have a look, for both of them.
Although I do wonder if anyone's worked out about how physical geography and the climate affects economics — for example a Heat Wave, a Cold Snap or a warm Winter?
Keep Rolling OnWhen looked at in macroeconomic terms, you can discuss the impact of climate and/or weather phenomena by way of their effect on aggregate supply and aggregate demand.
The idea that economic principles are cultural in nature is a very behaviorist point of view, suitable for microeconomic analyses. However, in the big picture, the rules of supply and demand don't change because you're in Somalia instead of Guatemala.
edited 31st Jul '14 2:06:51 PM by Fighteer
"It's Occam's Shuriken! If the answer is elusive, never rule out ninjas!"Um. Social psychology doesn't just come in micro groups of a nuclear family size, you know.
It has to deal with macro all the time — surprisingly, it has a habit of impacting micro behaviours as much as micro can impact the macro lot. :|
Feedback loops: fun stuff all around. (Oh, and part of the dynamo that goes towards social behaviours of many kinds? Is how skint or well off any given group is or perceives itself to be — particularly in the context of comparing itself to other groups in a larger network of interlocked behaviours.)
So: there. <thumbs nose at that pesky "only economics does macro" meme> Macro behaviours: part of the headache that is social science.
Sorry: felt like being Captain Obvious. <blushes> Seriously, though: economics as a whole has so got to get off that high horse, already. <_<
edited 31st Jul '14 8:13:17 PM by Euodiachloris
Lloyds Banking Group to pay $370 million Libor rigging fines
The settlement is the seventh joint penalty handed out by U.S. and British regulators in connection with the attempted manipulation of the London interbank offered rate, or Libor, and other similar benchmarks, which are used to price around $450 trillion of financial products worldwide.
Lloyds' settlement follows British rivals Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland, which agreed to pay fines of $453 million and $612 million respectively in 2012 and 2013.
The penalties comprise a fine of 105 million pounds ($178 million) by Britain's Financial Conduct Authority, $105 million by the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission and an $86 million fine by the U.S. Department of Justice.
The FCA said the total UK fine of 105 million pounds include 70 million pounds for attempting to manipulate fees payable to the Bank of England for the firm's participation in the special liquidity scheme, a taxpayer backed government scheme to support British banks during the financial crisis.
"The firms were a significant beneficiary of financial assistance from the Bank of England through the SLS. Colluding to benefit the firms at the expense, ultimately, of the UK taxpayer was unacceptable," said FCA director of enforcement, Tracey Mc Dermott.
Odd store names...
edited 28th Jul '14 7:59:32 AM by Greenmantle
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