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There was talk about renaming the Krugman thread for this purpose, but that seems to be going nowhere. Besides which, I feel the Krugman thread should be left to discuss Krugman while this thread can be used for more general economic discussion.

Discuss:

  • The merits of competing theories.
  • The role of the government in managing the economy.
  • The causes of and solutions to our current economic woes.
  • Comparisons between the economic systems of different countries.
  • Theoretical and existing alternatives to our current market system.

edited 17th Dec '12 10:58:52 AM by Topazan

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#9351: Jul 9th 2014 at 6:42:03 AM

[up] Oh yeah, a lot of employers abuse the "salaried employees", because it many places, they're exempt from the maximum work hour laws. They get paid the same every week regardless of hours worked, so the business doesn't need to pay more. Several dollar stores in the states try to get away with only hiring a few hourly employees and pushing most of the burden on the salaried ones.

Not Three Laws compliant.
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#9354: Jul 10th 2014 at 12:10:12 AM

Krugman: Swedish Sadomonetarist Setback

Anyhow, what about the article I posted on the last page, about the unpaid overtime of salaried employees?

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#9355: Jul 10th 2014 at 12:46:57 AM

Anyhow, what about the article I posted on the last page, about the unpaid overtime of salaried employees?
Seems very similar to the problems the US faces with similar issues, which relates to firms on both sides of the Atlantic wanting more productivity but not having to pay for it.

Either you start paying them or you reassign labor to have multiple people in the same job at different times. As the article says, it comes off as a very "The center cannot hold".

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#9359: Jul 10th 2014 at 9:29:20 PM

Annoying but true. If everyone spent their savings, we would be out of this recession in a month. But that's a very, very deep-seated human instinct that is hard to fix. The government has many ways to encourage spending, but they aren't using any of them.

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#9360: Jul 11th 2014 at 6:56:27 AM

It would represent a burst of spending, but it would dry up quickly, and businesses need sustained spending to restore hiring. In fact, right now the private sector in general is not where we need stimulus the most. We do need construction spending and minimum hours/wages increases, but the biggest gap in employment is still among teachers, firefighters, and policemen.

Krugman has been studying the effects of low returns on interest-bearing assets as a major driver of the current "inflation hysteria" drive in politics. His latest column as well as his blog posts on the matter have been getting some strident and near-hysterical pushback from folks who wax dramatic about how inflation steals money from grannies living off their retirement accounts.

One of the more interesting points is that, while the average annual interest income for older Americans in 2012 was $3,500, the median was $255, implying that the anti-inflation hysteria is, again, being driven almost entirely by the 0.01%.

edited 11th Jul '14 7:23:15 AM by Fighteer

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#9362: Jul 11th 2014 at 12:45:47 PM

No revenue, no assets, and one employee.

Wild.

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#9363: Jul 11th 2014 at 3:43:38 PM

I think the "Well the average is 3500 but the median is 255" thing goes over a lot of people's heads.

Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#9365: Jul 11th 2014 at 9:31:15 PM

The reason that the BIS position is not making any sense to this guy is because it makes no sense.

@Fighteer: The difference between the Yellen/Bernanke position and the BIS position ("Fear Not" and "Flame of Destruction") may be of interest to you. This is the difference between Chicago and Austrian economics in a nutshell.

Yellen's position is perfectly understandable, and it would even be sane except that it won't work under the current situation; "we can fix the problem by making easy money available." Might even be a sane position, except that equilibrium interest is below zero right now. (But it's worth noting that a wealth tax is rather monetarist in character!)

The BIS position is to ignore everything that's going on right now and continue pushing an inflation-hawk agenda.

edited 11th Jul '14 9:31:45 PM by Ramidel

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#9366: Jul 12th 2014 at 8:15:00 AM

Can someone explain why Norway hasn't joined the EU? I can understand why Switzerland hasn't , as well as the Balkans, but Norway kinda sticks out

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#9367: Jul 12th 2014 at 8:17:45 AM

Oil monies. They've always been independent spirits too, ever since they split off from Sweden.

Part of their problem is that all their neighbours and biggest trading partners are in the EU, so they often have to comply with EU regs anyway by default. Hence the so-called "fax democracy" whereby Oslo is consulted on EU issues, but has no formal or decisive voice - with their latest legislation being "faxed" from the European Commission.

Most of the Balkans want in, by the way.

edited 12th Jul '14 8:19:15 AM by Achaemenid

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#9368: Jul 12th 2014 at 8:20:35 AM

[up][up]Slovenia and Croatia are in, for example. Montenegro is not in the EU, but they're part of the Eurozone.

Serbia might want to get in, hence why they've been quiet about Kosovo.

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#9369: Jul 12th 2014 at 8:20:36 AM

A failed referendum in 1972 and 1994, just like in Switzerland (there 2001, though).

And speaking of Switzerland, we've recently received an analysis of the TTIP treaty which says that depending upon the form of the treaty, it may result in eonomic growth/shrinkage from -0.5% (in case of a pure trade treaty) and 3.2% (in case of a complete harmonization).

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PotatoesRock Since: Oct, 2012
#9370: Jul 12th 2014 at 10:14:20 AM

I believe De Long is kind of being rhetorical, in a "let's at least give them the benefit of the doubt, and assume their argument isn't just shilling".

Hendry and Mizon on the limited value of DSGE models

A Class of their own: Why the super rich are mistaken to believe that they can dispense with government

Kevin Drum: Who's afraid of an itsy bitsy bit of inflation, anyway? (Why inflation tends to sound like a bad idea to the general populace and the super rich alike.)

Realtors hire ruined millionaires to pretend to live in vacant megamansions

How to Miss By a Mile: An Alternative Look at Uber’s Potential Market Size

Welfare Economics: A Table of Contents

Bill Gates: Here’s a Chapter From My Favorite Business Book (It's about Xerox, which has some uncanny resemblances to the rise of the Internet and Digital Piracy. It also has a rather unintended ironic echo about how companies in the 40s to 60s cared about the public welfare of society.)

Clyde Hufbauer: NAFTA 20 Years Later: Setting the Record Straight

edited 12th Jul '14 12:48:42 PM by PotatoesRock

Xopher001 Since: Jul, 2012
#9371: Jul 12th 2014 at 1:11:24 PM

So norway has no good reason to stay out of the EU?

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#9372: Jul 12th 2014 at 1:18:34 PM

No, they have a plenty good reason: their people don't want in, and they can afford it. On the other hand, them not being in the EU when all their big neighbours and trading partners are does have its drawbacks.

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Ramidel Since: Jan, 2001
#9373: Jul 12th 2014 at 5:07:47 PM

This is the Economics thread, not the European Politics thread.

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