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SantosLHalper The filidh that cam frae Skye from The Canterlot of the North Since: Aug, 2009
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#1: Oct 7th 2012 at 6:30:53 PM

So what are your opinions about this epistemological issue? Does knowledge derive primarily from sensation and physical experience (Empiricism), or does knowledge primarily come from the human mind and from logic and reasoning, independent of the physical world? Or, in the words of Immanuel Kant, "although all our knowledge begins with experience, it does not follow that it arises from experience"?

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#3: Oct 7th 2012 at 8:01:33 PM

Are we defining knowledge in a limited fashion?

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#4: Oct 7th 2012 at 8:23:35 PM

I thought knowledge came from knowing things.

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#5: Oct 7th 2012 at 9:29:01 PM

It's just two sides of the same coin.

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#6: Oct 7th 2012 at 9:57:41 PM

My answer would be that a balanced human needs both, simply because acquiring personal experience in everything is simply not feasible. However, when the opportunity to acquire a personal perspective on something presents itself it is usually a mistake to shrink from it.

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#7: Oct 7th 2012 at 10:35:10 PM

Platonic Realism.

Patterns, ideas, and concepts exist independently from minds or objects — they inhabit some sort of abstract "realm of ideas" that a human mind can, to a degree, access and examine. Learning is generally either about discovering new aspects and properties of this "realm of ideas", or about recognizing correspondences between abstract ideas and physical phenomena.

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#8: Oct 8th 2012 at 5:29:37 AM

I'm siding with Kant.

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#9: Oct 8th 2012 at 6:24:09 AM

With Drunk on this one. Figure as much as possible from experience; learn about the rest with reason.

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#10: Oct 8th 2012 at 7:38:10 AM

The procedural/declarative knowledge needs to be addressed, as does the fact that certain aspects of human procedural knowledge may be innate: Universal Grammar in language, for example. In short, take some cognitive science courses (cog psych, linguistics, neurology) instead of trying to dumb down a complex question; we've come a little way since Kant, y'know. Just saying.

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#11: Oct 8th 2012 at 7:46:22 AM

Depends how you define knowledge I guess. Logic and reasoning doesn't create information out of nothing, but it refines information to make it accessible to us. The human mind is relativly poor at realizing implications so it often won't be able to access more than a fraction of the information it has available without concious effort.

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