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I'd rather have in-series evidence of that than a hypothesis to try and fill in the holes. Plus this works from the assumption this one spy, who we have no idea why he helped Chase, can access all this stuff.

edited 26th May '17 9:28:13 AM by Prime_of_Perfection

The explanation given in-story is that Chase is incredibly obsessive and has been preparing for this moment for five years. He can find out and set up all this stuff because he's put just that much time and effort into it.

I'm gonna echo what others have said. At the beginning of the season, I had a much easier time believing Chase/Prometheus could be that far ahead of Team Arrow. But the last few episodes really stretched the Suspension of Disbelief for me. I love Redeemed!Slade though. I hope we see more of him in the future. And as much as I got irritated with Malcom's Karma Houdini status, I'm definitely going to miss seeing Barrowman on the show. And I think it was a good send off for him. It certainly made clear his love for Thea, which I know I have questioned from time to time.

All in all a fantastic finale.

That's not a "how", that's a why. "He has a motivation, thus he can do it" is not a good explanation as to HOW he can do it. I want the actual logistics that are 100% backed up by the series and contradicts nothing.

If Chase developed Super AIDS that targets only Ollie and doesn't kill him, wouldn't that stretch believability? Would "he's super, duper motivated" count as a legitimate answer to how the hell did he do that?

The plot will just give Chase whatever he needs to hurt or be 53 steps ahead of Ollie, even if it made no damn sense for him to have this factor that places him there.

It's weird that I wish to see more Slade. I did enjoy him in this. Plus I'm still just so happy we got Talia vs. Nyssa!

edited 26th May '17 1:54:28 PM by Prime_of_Perfection

Yep, totally in canon.

edited 26th May '17 3:16:16 PM by Mullon

I didn't say it was just motivation. I said it was motivation plus five years of planning and preparation. There's not some secret to Chase's insane preparedness; it was just lots and lots of leg work.

Oliver killed Chase's dad sometime early in Season 1. I doubt it took Chase very long to decide to hunt down his father's killer, which meant finding out who the Hood really is, and I doubt that took long, either. Lots of people have found out Oliver's secret identity. Heck, just this season Susan Williams's PI found out by accident in the course of an unrelated investigation, and over on Legends Nate Heywood figured it out by analyzing publically available information. And once Chase knows that Oliver is the Hood, two things happen.

First, Chase digs into Oliver's background, including (heck, especially) what he was really up to on Lian Yu that made him a master archer and martial artist. And a trip to Lian Yu is going to lead to all sorts of evidence of Oliver's adventures: the graves of Shado and Yao Fei right next to Robert Queen, the wreck of the Amazo, the bodies and discarded equipment of the many people who were killed on the island, and (depending on when they started building it) possibly that secret Argus prison.

The other thing that happens is that Chase keeps tabs on everything Oliver does from Season 1 onward, and on the rest of Team Arrow, too (once you know Oliver's secret identity, figuring out who his partners are is no challenge at all). Odds are there's little that Team Arrow's been up to in the last four seasons that Chase hasn't kept an eye on one way or another. And if he didn't discover Oliver's connection to Argus by digging into his past, then he could probably figure it out based on the events of Season 2, and then it's a matter of finding any leaked information on Argus he can and tracking down Argus agents he can bribe or blackmail. Same goes for researching the League of Assassins (and Talia's splinter faction thereof) once he sees Oliver has ties to them.

As for finding William when even Felicity couldn't? She started looking for William maybe a few weeks before the season finale. Until then both she and Oliver were specifically trying to avoid finding out where he was, while Chase undoubtedly began searching for William the moment he found out the kid existed.

If he's really been watching Oliver this that long, then it explains his knowledge of Team Flash as well.

The Legends are a little harder to justify... at most he'd know they exist because Oliver met with Ray when he was recruited (and him and Nate found the Wave-Rider) but it still doesn't explain Earth 2 Laurel's incredibly convincing story when she was trying to fool everyone else into thinking she was Earth 1 Laurel.

He hasn't been since season 1 since first, aside from raising the question how he found out back then, he got all that info and help from Talia. Who didn't have motivation to do anything with Chase until post season 3. Likewise, the most viable place for him to get a good deal of his info is from The League of Shadows. Otherwise it means he's a super competent tracker from the very start before any training. Plus there's still that important factor Talia trained him to be what he is, so there is no current Chase level skills until post season 3. He didn't have 5 years to plan every little detail, he had just that gap in time. From whenever and however Talia first met him to his introduction.

Talia taught him how to fight and provided him with some hooded assassin guys who undoubtedly helped with grunt work, like planting all that C4. But researching Oliver, his history, and his family? That's the sort of work that relies less on expert training and more on your willingness to spend hours on end pouring through evidence, sitting in stakeouts, and following any lead you can get.

Remember, Chase is a guy who handcarves all of his weapons out of Oliver's old arrowheads and tracks down victims whose names are anagrams of names from Oliver's list. The guy is willing to devote a ridiculous amount of time to getting his revenge scheme just right. If a sufficiently smart guy spends a few years working 16 hour days everyday to find out everything he can about someone, then yeah, it doesn't surprise me if he finds out almost everything there is to know.

The only part that makes me raise an eyebrow, honestly, is that he somehow found time to meet and marry a woman who was completely unaware of his all-consuming vendetta.

edited 27th May '17 1:31:31 AM by RavenWilder

They should have established that Chase was some sort of genius detective-lawyer when he first appeared on the show, rather than "just" a district attorney.

Did he marry her before or after Oliver killed his father?

Cause either way the time dedication seems odd in that she probably should have felt really neglected.

Unless Talia!League resources let him pretend to be having a job so he could devote even more time to his plot.

Although I can't remember if he was rich or not from his father. The ability to pretend to work and still have money would help him a lot.

Or maybe he was just hemorrhaging cash up until he got backup.

Something that occurred to me. Did Chase know his father was going to disown him? Was his reaction legit? Or was the whole "kidnap everyone Oliver has ever met" a crazy plan B he set up from Argus?

I think that part of the plan was already in motion, and being told his father was gonna disown him...

I don't know if it was legitimate or not, but I'd assume he wasn't as devastated as he acted.

It may have motivated him to make suicide a part of his plan, which would be a significant shift, but there's no way to know.

Perfect Alternate Character Interpretation on that one. Maybe he did know it and faked it, maybe he really was shaken by the revelation and initially really counted ond Oliver killed him, but then changed his mind once in prison.....guess we'll never know.

So I heard Bennet was able to return as Deathstroke because of issues with the Batman movie. Can anyone confirm this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYn3LEz135s

At 40 seconds

That finale was goooooood.

Malcolm fell down and blew up his crown.

I have no idea why they decided to push for another season though.

...

Because the series ending with everyone dying is kinda depressing maybe?

I should clarify that - they "pushed" for another season by ending on a cliffhanger when they could've ended on a high note, with everyone's personal storylines mostly concluded. I thought the creators originally said they planned to end the series with Flashback Oliver escaping Lian Yu.

Oliver not stopping Chase, the island blowing up, everyone seemingly dying - rather than Oliver stopping Chase, coming to some final evolution of his philosophy and all of the experiences that have led him to this point, and some final couple of scenes establishing a "send-off" for each character - genuinely surprised me.

Like, yeah, now they have to do another season. But what is next season going to be about?

edited 24th Jun '17 10:44:02 AM by Soble

On the other hand, if this was the last season, that would have been a pretty ballsy way to end a series.

The next season is gonna be about fatherhood, probably. I'd say that's a good point to end the series.

I thought Paul served Curtis with divorce papers. Unless I missed a reconciliation somewhere.

I'll be honest I paid so little attention to that subplot I forgot. I forgot what happened to Felicity's mom and what the deal with Renee's kids was too.

I give so few sh'ts about the side characters who aren't first or second-generation Team Arrow - I wish they'd kept Huntress and Black Canary, maybe introduced Terrific and Atom as side characters but then shuttled them to Legends. We should've kept Sara and dumped Ray and Curtis.

So I'm currently re-watching the ep where Evelyn is revealed to be a mole for Prometheus at the end, and I have to wonder one thing:

Was she always a mole, or was it something that only happened after finding out Ollie was a Serial Killer?

Cause I'm reminded of the thing with her parents and her brief stint as a fake Black Canary, and she had a genuine reason to be mad at Ollie after finding out the truth. I really wonder how much of that was an act?