I'm more or less neutral on getting rid of the "Cerebus" part.
Definitively no to a rename. I don't see any problems so far that would justify it.
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The trope is being redefined to no longer be limited to retcons. You don't see "being factually incorrect" as a problem?
Although I'll admit that the retcon name hasn't stopped people from including pre-planned examples already.
"reinterpreting" sounds still much like a retcon.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
That's poor wording, not anything about the trope. A better choice would be revealing.
So, Cerebus Reveal? I would personally like that.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
Cerebus Reveal addresses my concern.
The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable
Like it too.
Hurler of Swine
Sounds good to me.
The "rename" option is still doing poorly in the crowner, though.
Trans Siberian Anarchestra (it/they)
I can only vote once.
The Revolution Will Not Be Tropeable
Setting clock for crowner call.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - FighteerCalling for redefinition. There is no consensus to rename.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
So now we have a trope named Cerebus Retcon that's not limited to retcons. Go, democracy.
Does anyone have a potential rewrite prepared, or does one need to be written?
The redefinition looks like it's about retcons, unless I am badly misreading the crowner. I don't have a new description, though.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
If the author planned it beforehand, it's not a retcon - otherwise "retcons" and "reveals" would be indistinguishable.
Then I'd add Cerebus Reveal as a redirect.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
I rewrote the tope to include non-retcons (and cases that made early gags more serious whitout necessairly being a deconstruction) when the option seemed to get enough support quite a while ago. It had however been changed to a rectcon-only thing before that. Didn't really check the examples for misuse based on the new definition, however.
edited 10th Dec '12 3:57:44 AM by Nazetrime
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Why were the options separate in the first place? Doesn't redefining it demand a rename for simple reasons of wording?
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Before the crowner was created, the discussion got mixed up between :
- People who wanted the trope to be retcon-only and create a new page for the planned versions. That option sort of got hijacked by people who didn't want the new trope to be a Cerebus Bad Snowclone VS people who saw nothing wrong with having Cerebus in the new page's title, that sort of went stale.
- People who just wanted to keep the trope rectcon-only and the misuses to be kicked out of the page, which would have erased away a lot of examples that just needed a better suited page or to be accepted in their current one.
- People who wanted to only change the Recton part of name and keep the (now overwritten)initial definition that had the trope name the only thing containing the word "Retcon". The inital definition broadly defined the trope as retroactively deconstructing early gags in the later part of a work that had gone darker over its run.
- People who wanted to have the defenition include both intentional and retcon but saw nothing wrong with the name.
Overlap between the two last (eg someone in favor of both redefinition and renaming) wasn't really visible. That's why it got separated in the crowner. Just look at the first page of the discussion and you'll be grateful of how smoothly it's currenty going.
edited 12th Dec '12 4:02:51 AM by Nazetrime
It's a bad idea to mix a rename option with another, since it usually ends messy and confusing.
"If you aren't him, then you apparently got your brain from the same discount retailer, so..." - Fighteer
To be exact, using a Page Action crowner for more than one yes/no option (As opposed to running several Single Proposition crowners) is a bad idea, as I've learned the hard way.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Retroactive Cerebus Syndrome? Cerebus Hindsight?
edited 12th Dec '12 7:23:53 AM by Prime32
^The rename option lost in the crowner.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
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What would be the best way to fix the page?
The renaming option seems to be getting support here. Anyone have any ideas ? I'll stay out of the renaming thing otherwise because I'm biased towards keeping it a Cerebus snowclone (while taking away the retcon part), but acknowledge that if all Cerebus swowclones are going to be renamed sooner or later anyway (like some have suggested), this one may be a good place to start.