Shingeki no Kyojin/Attack on Titan (Manga Discussion)

Not sure I like where this's going.

X 9 Silver Winds, you should probably start from the beginning of the manga if you have the time and are willing to read up on 50 chapters of monthly manga. There are a lot of little details, foreshadowing and character moments that is changed or skipped in the anime for various reasons, and some of it matters to the plot latter.

As for the newest chapter: yikes...

So...is it just me or is anyone else feeling some Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy when it comes to this series?

Edited by M84 on Jul 5th 2018 at 2:19:08 AM

Not yet. If I'm remembering right the original idea was that everyone would be dead in the end, but he changed that plan because of fan reception or something. So assuming it's not going to be a total Downer Ending, I'm curious to see how he does actually plan on ending this.

One thing's for sure. Isayama is really, really bad at handling LGBT characters.

In all honesty, I expected something in this general range sooner or later. I mean queens ARE typically expected to birth heirs, and she's the last of her line. So there would be an expectation of her having children to inherit the throne. Even so, it hurts seeing her so unhappy.

On the other hand, Gabi seems to be adjusting to the prisoner life style. And by that, I mean making improvised weapons and beating up guards.

Edited by harostar on Jul 4th 2018 at 6:19:49 AM

For succession purposes, it doesn't much matter who the father of Historia's baby is; the government would only be concerned that she produce an heir. Eren just happens to be a convenient choice because he's tolerable to Historia, gains access to Coordinate powers by touching her, and he only has a few years to live anyway.

Eren would probably be her "preferred" choice at this point. Which means it isn't him cause she must suffer even more for this to work.

More in: Reiner wakes up without his shirt, learns Galliard and Pieck have been having a drunk pity-party over his unconscious body.

I think we bypassed realism in how monarchies work around the time Historia rose to the throne by slicing the specific weakspot of her father who'd turned into an 80 meter giant while inheriting rulership of a nation made possible by millions of frozen giants in the wall.

Which is then countered by a specific genetically inherited trait for members of this monarchy.

That right there. Historia is one of two people in the world known to possess an extremely powerful and valuable bloodline. I am absolutely not surprised that she would be under pressure to continue the royal line, which is facing extinction thanks to Grisha murdering all her half-siblings. As long as the Titans exist, the royal bloodline will have incredible value to everyone.

I don't think we're meant to go YAY AWESOME. It absolutely is an awful thing, because even if Historia consented fully to having a child, she'd still have the burden of knowing her child might be used as a tool the way her father tried to use her.

Edited by harostar on Jul 4th 2018 at 9:22:51 AM

I think your confusing Historia for Ymir as she's certainly not confirmed to be a lesbian unlike Ymir.

Edited by Auralian on Jul 4th 2018 at 7:51:16 AM

I think Historia reciprocating Ymir's feelings was confirmed.

That doesn't mean she's a lesbian. For all we know, should could be Bi or a If it's you, It's okay.

It likely wouldn't be consensual though if she is bi. Sadly stuff like that rarely is.

With the reveal that Historia is being used a baby factory, doesn't that make Eren's decisions to accquire Zeke is rendered pointless?

No wonder the guy is very mad at Hange seeing as all the horrible stuff he did to prevent Historia from being used and it happened anyway

Also, I'm going to be furious at the Survey Corps for approving this if they are ones who planned this.

Edited by Auralian on Jul 4th 2018 at 8:08:55 AM

I think when a character demonstrates no interest in romance or love save only with another woman, it's probably safe to classify them as a lesbian or at least LGBT.

All I'm hearing is 'Isayama deliberately wrote these powers in a very specific way so that Historia is forced to get pregnant which is skeevy writing at best.

Thats not what they are saying. They are trying to say that its possible that Historia may be bi which would reduce the horribleness of it a smidge.

It's still horrible as its very likely she didn't consent to being used in such a way and hates it because her father tried to use her in the same way the child may be used.

Its screwed up all around. I agree that his handling of LGBT writing has been pretty bad so far though. Ymir didn't deserve to die offscreen. She wasn't my favorite but I liked her continents more than overrated Levi Ackerman.

Edited by Wispy on Jul 4th 2018 at 8:16:09 AM

Let's not jump the gun on Historia is a baby factory just yet. Obviously there's incentive for her to produce heirs, but hasn't she also had just a bit more sway than you'd expect from a puppet ruler? She may well have had a say in having a child and, perhaps just as important, with who.

Too Long, Didn't Read, Don't Wanna Get Spoiled: It doesn't seem like we have enough context to go on yet.

Edited by sgamer82 on Jul 4th 2018 at 9:22:24 AM

Ymir's role was already in the dead end when she gave the seeds for Historia's character develop further and by saving Reiner and Bertolt by offering herself to Marley.

What else besides some cheap happiness for her and Historia?

Her offscreen death makes sense. Which is why I quite don't get about this how Isayama is "bad at writing LGBT characters thing".

Lesbian or not, she was destined to die.

AOT has been really, really bad with female characters in general, so I'd say that one of the very few women in series to be given any agency at all having it stripped from her to become a baby factory is pretty horrible writing regardless if she's bi or a lesbian, but it feels extra horrible with the latter.The fact that Isayama chose to write this isn't flattering

Two LGBT characters. One is killed offscreen in a pretty textbook Bury Your Gays to save two completely irredeemably awful people. The other? apparently stripped of actual authority and forced to be a baby factory. Yep, that's great representation.

Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 4th 2018 at 8:28:57 AM

Horrible as it is. It makes a lot of sense.

She is the only pureblooded royal remaining on Paradis, it would not make sense if they didn't take advantage of bloodline like that.

I find this discussion interesting because I remember it being a thing that people used to praise AOT's use of its female characters. Well, mostly Mikasa...

I've never had much of an opinion on whether it has handled them well or not, never stood out to me as particularly good or particularly bad.

a more talented writer would do a story about them trying to do that and not succeeding. Like, there were other ways Isayama could have writtne around this or just plain not done it because at the end of the day Historia is the queen for a reason.

The same Mikasa whose world begins and ends with "Eren." A fun game is to ask people how long they can talk about her character without mentioning Eren and her devotion to him and the answer's usually 'not very long'. Female characters in AOT tend to be nonentities, are defined by their relationship to men or killed brutally. These spoilers? Isn't helping matters either. Generally speaking, the bars are just so fucking low that a woman who can fight competently is seen as leaping over them.

Edited by Lightysnake on Jul 4th 2018 at 8:37:08 AM