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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#626: Dec 7th 2014 at 5:05:17 PM

nobody is going to shop at Target more because a game they don't like is there.

...I feel like you're missing some words here, 'cause this seems like the opposite of your point.

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Jinxmenow Ghosts N' Stuff Remix from everywhere you look, everywhere you look Since: Oct, 2012 Relationship Status: Not caught up in your love affair
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#627: Dec 7th 2014 at 5:12:03 PM

I meant "isn't"

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Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#628: Dec 7th 2014 at 5:17:27 PM

Right, that's what I assumed.

Anyway, the comparison isn't really there. An offensive joke in a let's play is less like an offensive game in a store and more like being forced to play the offensive game to be able to buy a game you don't think is offensive.

I really don't think there's a culture of "being offended" that's started popping up; I think it's more a culture of "recognizing that people are offended and changing to make fewer people offended." Which is pretty cool, IMO.

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#629: Dec 7th 2014 at 5:39:27 PM

I dunno, I've seen a bit of it from both sides: on the one hand there is a greater recognition of what might offend people and thus a general motion to stop it, but there are plenty of people who are offended by the lightest of things. Like, as an example, I can understand anger at rape jokes because that's some serious shit going on and it ought to be respected, but there were enormous comment chains of people arguing over if the grumps are racists because Arin used a faux Chinese accent in Dog Island part 2. I view this more as "there are always bad apples in every movement no matter how good", rather than an absolute motion toward excessive censorship, but it's still noticeable enough to not be ignored when observing interaction.

Mind, with regards to trigger warnings and such I see no issue with them since when reasonably used for legitimate issues (rape, violence, war, other such heavier things) they show a respect for the people who suffer from them and help recognize those issues in others.

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#630: Dec 7th 2014 at 6:44:43 PM

Well... using fake stereotypical accents kinda is racist.

Benignly so, but still.

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#631: Dec 7th 2014 at 6:55:49 PM

Yeah being in a fandom hasn't been very enjoyable than it was years ago. :( Everyone wants something to complain about.

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#632: Dec 7th 2014 at 6:56:35 PM

I feel like there's sorta two ways of considering racist jokes funny: either you're a racist, or you know the racist stuff is a ridiculous stereotype and you're laughing at the stereotype and not the race being stereotyped, which I feel like is more how the Grumps do it.

Whether that makes the jokes they make okay, I dunno. I'm a white dude, it ain't exactly my place to say. It's just an observation I've made.

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#633: Dec 7th 2014 at 7:16:34 PM

They were making a racist joke, but just because they do that doesn't mean they are themselves racists because they are mocking stereotypes, rather than directly addressing people through that lens. That's essentially what I'm getting at. Mind, I can't speak for the people who might be offended by those stereotypes (also a white dude), but that doesn't mean I can't speak about a certain level of comedic freedom without branding them racists,

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#634: Dec 7th 2014 at 7:27:59 PM

Everyone's kind of a little racist.

Do I think Arin or Danny or Ross or Barry or Suzy would go on a rant about how all Asians are... I dunno, what do racists think Asians do? Eat dogs and cats? No. I don't think they have anything against the people they make jokes about. But I do think those jokes are a symptom of the small amounts of racism they, like everyone, have.

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#635: Dec 7th 2014 at 8:04:10 PM

I might argue that they recognize that those stereotypes are jokes and as such aren't really expressing racist ideology but simply using it for humor, but this is mostly a perspective thing, and compared to some of the comments I've seen, a perfectly understandable one. After all...

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#636: Dec 8th 2014 at 8:49:21 AM

Ah, Avenue Q. That song never seemed quite as catchy to me as the other great showtunes that get trotted out to end arguments, like "Just Wipe the Seat Yourself If It Bothers You", "Are You Kidding Me with This Ticket, I Was Only Parked There for Like Three Minutes, This Is Bullshit", or everyone's favorite, "You're Perfect the Way You Are (So It's Entirely Unnecessary for You to Make the Slightest Effort to Change for the Better)".

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#637: Dec 8th 2014 at 12:12:43 PM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
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#638: Dec 8th 2014 at 12:22:36 PM

Ooh, watch out, the mods will get you for that.

BagOfMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#639: Dec 9th 2014 at 3:53:39 PM

So, among all the many Youtube comments complaining that Arin is playing the game wrong, were there any from Reese defending the individual wrappers for peanut butter cups? smile

kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#640: Dec 9th 2014 at 4:31:42 PM

Tons and tons of repliers, over MOST of the past videos in the Sonic Boom playthroughs, mentioned that the buttons are COLOR-CODED.

Neither Arin or Danny EVER listened!! They had DAYS AND DAYS to get the hint!

It's clear they never ever read Youtube comments.

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#641: Dec 9th 2014 at 4:33:41 PM

I think the only ones who really read the comment section are the ones who complain about them.

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#642: Dec 9th 2014 at 4:34:29 PM

They both go on Twitter though! Don't people tell them about the colors there!?

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#643: Dec 11th 2014 at 5:38:14 PM

To be fair to Danny, he's picked up on the colors thing repeatedly and keeps bringing it up. Arin just keeps shooting him down and not using his head. -.-

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#644: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:04:52 PM

Today, Danny points out ARROWS that appear on-screen and alerts Arin that they may be TRY-ING TO TELL HIM something. Arin ignores him.

Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#645: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:24:53 PM

You know, I did used to be a bit annoyed by Arin's lack of paying attention, but now, more than anything, I just find it hilarious.

When Danny brought up the colors and Arin just shot him down, I laughed so hard, 'cause Arin is just so sure of himself. It's like dramatic irony. But with Sonic the Hedgehog.

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kyun Since: Dec, 2010
#646: Dec 11th 2014 at 6:30:23 PM

"Hey Arin, those are ARROWS."

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#647: Dec 12th 2014 at 5:30:06 PM

Do I think Arin or Danny or Ross or Barry or Suzy would go on a rant about how all Asians are... I dunno, what do racists think Asians do? Eat dogs and cats? No. I don't think they have anything against the people they make jokes about. But I do think those jokes are a symptom of the small amounts of racism they, like everyone, have.
Yeah, I don't think they're bad people but man those Asian impressions are really cringeworthy. I could do without them.

But from what I've heard they've actually been pretty mature in handling criticism so that's good to hear.

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#648: Dec 12th 2014 at 6:46:11 PM

Maturity is in the eye of the beholder.

"Monsters are tragic beings. They are born too tall, too strong, too heavy. They are not evil by choice. That is their tragedy."
Zarek Rollin' rollin' rollin' from Jakku Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#649: Dec 12th 2014 at 8:17:39 PM

They've been decent people about it; I'd say that qualifies as being mature.

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BagOfMagicFood Since: Jan, 2001
#650: Dec 12th 2014 at 8:43:40 PM

Then you have the Captain Novolin doctor voices...

To be fair to Danny, he's picked up on the colors thing repeatedly and keeps bringing it up.
Say, do we know whether Arin is colorblind?


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