Punk

So where do Billy Talent fall then? Are they punk, alt rock or emo?

Why not all three at the same time?

Is this video indicative of "pure" 'core punk?

Because if it is... nearly all of it sounds like ass to me. Am I missing something here?

Yes. For the most part, that looks like legit old school hardcore, including the picks for the "youth crew" bands. Maybe hardcore punk isn't for you, though the video doesn't cover the entire spectrum of the genre and misses out on some major bands like Discharge. Still, I like quite a few of the bands in that video.

I'm just getting into some areas of hardcore. Converge and Burn Down Rome are favourites.

When you say "entire spectrum", does that spectrum include the popcore genres like Skate Punk and Melodic Hardcore?

And D-beat, crust, grind, powerviolence, etc. Though, I'm sure the exclusion of pop hardcore and emo is deliberate.

@Supergod:

So the video I posted before is "old school"-core. Is there a difference of "modern"-core from "old school"-core, and if so, can I have an example of the former?

And I'm asking about "pure" 'core, not its derivatives.

Modern hardcore could mean many things (early metalcore, mathcore, melodic hardcore, etc.), but usually when people say "modern hardcore" they mean stuff like Comeback Kid and Casey Jones, or the "tuff guy" bands like Terror and Hatebreed who owe a lot to late NYHC like Sick of It All and Madball. I prefer the more old school sounding stuff myself.

edited 24th Jul '14 11:52:00 AM by supergod

I'll say it again: Rise Against's new album The Black Market is out now. Is there anyone here who has picked it up?

yep. As ever, there's a few really good songs and a few I can take or leave on it. Love "People Live Here".

Question pertaining to emo pop and pop punk:

We know that pop punk made a foothold in the 90's that continued into the early 2000's.

Am I right that as the 2000's progressed, emo pop eventually overtook pop punk in popularity?

The kind of music that now passes for either in the modern pop sphere is functionally one thing with little to differentiate it, although neither are so popular any more as they were just a few years ago. Poppier post-hardcore-inflected bands seem to be the new hotness in that realm now, which is unsurprising but a little amusing.

Old news, but I quite like X's debut Los Angeles.

Would Alesana be considered indicative of the word "emocore"? I searched the word "emocore" on YouTube, and came up with them, but what does Google/YouTube know?

Uh... if you mean a combination of pop-emo and modern metalcore, then yes, but if you mean emotional hardcore—which would just be "emo," by the way—well...

This is emo.

Just for reference, my personal favourite variety of emo (and really punk in general, post-punk not included) is what is sometimes called emo violence—basically old school screamo meets power violence:

It's a winning combination.

I'm sticking with my opinion that emo is a broad genre in itself and that "emocore" is only one part of that genre.

Though from your information, I think I'll have to discriminate between classic emocore, metal emocore, and all the other kinds of emocore.

Can I have a partial list of classic emocore bands?

You don't abbreviate it as "emocore," though. It's either emotional hardcore, or just "old-school emo." The waters get a little muddied given that a lot of modern bands like The World Is A Beautiful Place And I Am Not Afraid To Die (yes, really) draw heavily on that older style rather than the modern straight-up poppy stuff but regardless, tacking "-core" onto things implies either derivation from metalcore or hardcore techno, not hardcore punk. Thus, "emocore" is metalcore with emo influences. Sure, it's confusing and stupid. But most of these genre names are confusing and stupid.

Anyway, if you want first wave emo bands of note, I would recommend Fugazi, Rites of Spring, Bitch Magnet and the like; for slightly later groups in a similar vein, Envy, Snowing and Pg. 99 are all quite solid and very different in style.

If you want bands that draw on the style but aren't really in the genre per se, I am partial to Deafheaven and Have A Nice Life. The former are controversial, but mostly because black metal hipsters get really touchy about anything too unmanly, like feelings that don't involve murder or major seventh chords.

If that's the case where do words like Melocore/Melodicore, Skacore, Metalcore, and Deathcore come from?

And we're on the Punk thread, so any -core in this context would refer to hardcore punk. If we were on a general music thread I'd be more specific by adding -core punk or -core rap to the end.

edited 12th Aug '14 9:45:47 AM by WaxingName

The last one refers to a metalcore subgenre, but I see your point. That said, I don't think that I've heard someone actually refer to emotional hardcore as "emocore" in any recent context—just "emo" is strongly preferred. But this is splitting hairs. I would rather talk about music without getting into anal-retentive genre name bickering.

Same. I think splitting hairs that finely becomes redundant. It's about the music, not the packaging.

In terms of pop punk, I love these guys. Pure guilty pleasure, but also punchy enough.

Female-led punk is a pretty rich vein, musically speaking, although I prefer the likes of Penetration and The Plasmatics.

I've checked out a bit of Rise Against's first two albums, and that's 'core punk I can actually get behind.

Is there any other 'core punk that sounds like that and not like the video I posted earlier?

Some Good Riddance. They kind of straddle the line between that and more melodic stuff.