Needs Help: Spicy Latina

The word sexy is only mentioned once, in reference to clothing. Their attractiveness is only mentioned in reference to the original sexualized version of the trope, and is pretty clear to indicate that it's expanded beyond that.

I don't see how this is incompatible.

If this is a very expansive trope, would it be okay to make sub-tropes for it like the Sexy Latina, the Angry Latina, etc?

as for your 'use of spicy in fiction' example, doesnt that work against your point? The man is obviously interested in the woman sexually (sex appeal check) and the woman snaps at him (angry check) and he responds by still be interested and calling her spicy (attractive and temperamental or attractive because shes temperamental)

they aren't mutually incompatible and when youre sexualizing or objectifying or stereotyping 'the other' in this case a white woman, in the tropes case Latin women, both often get conflated together even if one is not explicitly stated.

"The Sexy Anything" is a bad idea. It just invites people to entry pimp whatever they want.

Lexicon - why do you keep trying to insist on splitting it?

It sounds like this needs to be more clearly defined - Xtifr's definition is the best in the thread, as far as I can tell (Hotblooded (feisty), expressive and strong-willed. Quick to anger, quick to love, and not ashamed to show her emotions.) - and eliminate bad examples. Maybe renamed, if 'spicy' is as incomprehensible as this thread makes it seem.

This does need to be more clearly defined, eliminate bad examples, and maybe renamed. Currently it sounds like anyone who has a Latin heritage and isn't a Shrinking Violet.

The man is obviously interested in the woman sexually but she's obviously not trying to tempt him like the Spicy Latina page talks about. Telling him to get lost is the opposite of trying to temp him.

There's a lot of room between "woman with a temper" and "shrinking violet".

Hotblooded (feisty), expressive and strong-willed. Quick to anger, quick to love, and not ashamed to show her emotions.

agree with above

Hotblooded (feisty), expressive and strong-willed. Quick to anger, quick to love, and not ashamed to show her emotions.

just whatever you do don't change the name. its an actual name from outside of tvtropes, it holds some meaning in our culture.

@ King Zeal - A number of the examples don't have a temper. Shouldn't they be deleted?

By 'our' culture, you probably mean American culture. This archetype is common in our media. She is hot tempered and strong willed. Sometimes she is sexy.

Like who?

Ria Torres from Lie To Me, Bianca from Degrassi, Trina on Victorious, Adrian Lee of The Secret Life Of The American Teenager, Mimi from Rent are the ones I'm familiar with. Few of the examples have context so I'm not sure how many of them actually have a temper.

Ria Torres is not this trope under either definition. However, what needs to be done is, first, rewrite the trope description to better fit the actual trope (rather than either 'sexy angry Latina' or 'sexy Latina'), then clean up examples.

Yes, if we rewrite the trope description there's no need to have a split and the description should fit the name. Another example of the word spicy in fiction is Buttercup from The Power Puff Girls. Her personality ingredient is spice (making her spicy as opposed to her sweet sister Bubbles). She is a tomboy, who loves to get dirty, fights hard, and plays rough, she does not plan and is all action. She is hotblooded (feisty), expressive and strong-willed and quick to anger but not so much quick to love, because her emotion is usually anger.

I agree with lexicon that this trope needs serious pruning. The examples are confusing, especially since almost none of them include an explanation for why they meet the trope. I look at a lot of them and think, "well, she's hot, and I guess there was that one scene where someone was mean to her and she was angry in response, so I guess she's a Spicy Latina, maybe...?"

Santana from Glee? She's a "mean girl", but not particularly temperamental that I can recall.

An Air Canada ad with a picture of an attractive woman and a description saying that the sun isn't the only thing that's hot? The woman in the ad doesn't have any described personality traits at all, how can she be an example of this trope?

To begin with the pruning shall we delete every example where the character does not have a temper?

How are we defining "temper" first?

Being passive-aggressive or overall "difficult" can be based on an overall bad attitude.

No, because 'having a temper' is not a necessary aspect of the trope under the proposed redefinition.

Whose proposed definition?

I forget whose. The one I've been copy-pasting for about a page now whenever the conversation drifts in the direction of but what does 'spicy' meeeeeeeeaaaaaaaan.

edited 15th Oct '12 4:07:01 PM by Noaqiyeum

This thread is being overly pedantic, nitpicky, and not at all in the spirit of the wiki. As such it is being locked