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The initial OP posted below covers it well enough: the premise of this thread is that men's issues exist. Don't bother posting if you don't believe there is such a thing.
Here's hoping this isn't considered too redundant. I've noticed that our existing threads about sexism tend to get bogged down in Oppression Olympics or else wildly derailed, so I thought I'd make a thread specifically to talk about discrimination issues that disproportionately affect men.
No Oppression Olympics here, okay? No saying "But that's not important because women suffer X which is worse!" And no discussing these issues purely in terms of how much better women have it. Okay? If the discussion cannot meaningfully proceed without making a comparison to male and female treatment, that's fine, but on the whole I want this thread to be about how men are harmed by society and how we can fix it. Issues like:
- The male-only draft (in countries that have one)
- Circumcision
- Cavalier attitudes toward men's pain and sickness, AKA "Walk it off!"
- The Success Myth, which defines a man's desirability by his material success. Also The Myth of Men Not Being Hot, which denies that men can be sexually attractive as male beings.
- Sexual abuse of men.
- Family law.
- General attitudes that men are dangerous or untrustworthy.
I could go on making the list, but I think you get the idea.
Despite what you might have heard about feminists not caring about men, it's not true. I care about men. Patriarchy sucks for them as much as it sucks for women, in a lot of ways. So I'm putting my keyboard where my mouth is and making a thread for us to all care about men.
Also? If you're male and think of something as a men's issue, by golly that makes it a men's issue fit for inclusion in this thread. I might disagree with you as to the solution, but as a woman I'm not going to tell you you have no right to be concerned about it. No "womansplaining" here.
Edited by nombretomado on Dec 15th 2019 at 5:19:34 AM
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I think we're all basically in agreement on that. People should be able to approach rock climbing (or whatever else) in their own terms without having people say they should be doing it a specific way.
edited 13th Apr '16 2:19:13 PM by wehrmacht
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I mean, I do think that pressuring for sex doesn't always need to come from a social or persona-image thing. "Sex feels good" is also a motivator.
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A motivator sure, but not a constant external pressure telling you you're a failure if you aren't having sex.
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Is not just sex as one thing, but sex as something that can happen, like dates, having a girlfriend and all those stuff.
Also, with emocional dishonesty, in many cases the men is taught to be soport and pillar of the family, kind like a superhero doing stuff so others dont and in many cases one of it is being strong for other even when is okay to cry.
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... as long as they put on safety gear.
Okay, I'll stop stretching the metaphor now.
Actually, I'd say "as long as they don't endanger others".
The solution is simple. Create a classification system for people and security clearances. This way, you'll know who can safely be let in your presence and who cannot.
edited 14th Apr '16 10:05:42 AM by TerminusEst
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Yeah, I never got the importance of losing virginity. My bro was 24 when he lost his. He'd wanted to lose it for ages and kept asking me what it was like. He'd be annoyed when I said "You feel pressure all around your penis and have a woman sweating and breathing heavily on you". Heh heh. But that's basically it. And then he lost his vee. Now he agrees that it feels good, but ain't made him a man or more mature. He now thinks he could have waited since, at 24, his friends are adults too and therefore don't apply any pressure or virgin-shaming like teens do.
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You know I find the whole MRA movement to be quite fascinating, if extremely depressing. So much misdirected anger from people who seem to be vaguely aware that there's a problem but attack the help instead.
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Presumably he's referring to the feminism movement, which MRA types tend to hate (like, a lot) but at core is working toward gender equality, which would address many of the problems MRA people have with society's take on gender issues.
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It also sucks cuz a lot of men refuse to help other men.
For instance, usually the ONLY times I hear men talking about the sexual abuse of men is as a "gotcha" as to why women's fear of being sexually assaulted is ridiculous cause it also happens to men.
My response, as a feminist, is "if I meet a guy who has been sexually assaulted and is therefore afraid of something, I'm going to be as fucking sympathetic as I can be, which is why I'm being sympathetic to the women who express it NOW."
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People's misfortune is a cause to help and support those people, not to use them as arguments for why other people's misfortune doesn't matter. It's the difference between doing something that matters, and "winning" arguments.
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What makes you say that?
Oh really when?
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You mean feminism or tumblr feminism?
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
I wouldn't necessarily treat feminism on Tumblr like it's monolithic.
edited 16th May '16 2:57:29 PM by KarkatTheDalek
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From what I've seen it's not, even feminism outside of tumblr is a pretty broad movement with a wealth of different positions on certain subjects, but as far as the mainstream is concerned only certain people get attention, you have to go looking if you want to see other viewpoints. For a lot of people, if they have an idea of what something is (whether it's correct or not) and they dislike that on principle they won't look into it any further.
I'd say there is a valid argument that the sort of regressive and/or authoritarian schools of feminism that tend to be stereotypically associated with Tumblr have grown a great deal over the past decade, and that mainstream feminism has largely ignored the existence of such people. No ideology is immune from extremism, regardless of the principles upon which it based, and while these kinds of people are mostly politically impotent in the present day, that doesn't mean that's always going to be the case.
edited 16th May '16 3:35:47 PM by CaptainCapsase
A procrastination in of itself
X6 I don't know about you but I really like having a wider pool of people I an be friends with, having a mother who has been able to show me the world of politics, having a girlfriend who also makes money (well has money, student loans and all) and can thus help pay for things, having multiple friends who can drive, having a two income household so that my parents could afford nice shit for me, having a variety of people who I can engage in intellectual debate as equals with, and much more that I can't think of right now.
Mainstream feminism has ignored such people because by and large they are either students who are halfway though learning about this shit and egt corrected by mainstream feminism by the time they graduate, or internet people who get ignored by everyone because outside of social media nobody knows who the fuck they are or what they're on about.
Yes feminism has its exstreamists like every ism, but the only reason we think mainstream feminism doesn't call them out is because we don't realise how mainstream mainstream feminism has gotten. People call the bullshit out and we forget that many of those people are feminists because they don't parade the fact.
edited 16th May '16 3:44:51 PM by Silasw
"And the Bunny nails it!" ~ Gabrael "If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we." ~ Cyran
It is, but it's also my point and I'm trying to communicate that I'm not arguing with Quag's choice.
People have a right to approach rock-climbing on their own terms and it's stupid that we go out of our way to emphasize that people should only climb rocks the way we want them. Rock-climbing really isn't that big a deal.
edited 13th Apr '16 2:16:04 PM by TobiasDrake
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