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The initial OP posted below covers it well enough: the premise of this thread is that men's issues exist. Don't bother posting if you don't believe there is such a thing.
Here's hoping this isn't considered too redundant. I've noticed that our existing threads about sexism tend to get bogged down in Oppression Olympics or else wildly derailed, so I thought I'd make a thread specifically to talk about discrimination issues that disproportionately affect men.
No Oppression Olympics here, okay? No saying "But that's not important because women suffer X which is worse!" And no discussing these issues purely in terms of how much better women have it. Okay? If the discussion cannot meaningfully proceed without making a comparison to male and female treatment, that's fine, but on the whole I want this thread to be about how men are harmed by society and how we can fix it. Issues like:
- The male-only draft (in countries that have one)
- Circumcision
- Cavalier attitudes toward men's pain and sickness, AKA "Walk it off!"
- The Success Myth, which defines a man's desirability by his material success. Also The Myth of Men Not Being Hot, which denies that men can be sexually attractive as male beings.
- Sexual abuse of men.
- Family law.
- General attitudes that men are dangerous or untrustworthy.
I could go on making the list, but I think you get the idea.
Despite what you might have heard about feminists not caring about men, it's not true. I care about men. Patriarchy sucks for them as much as it sucks for women, in a lot of ways. So I'm putting my keyboard where my mouth is and making a thread for us to all care about men.
Also? If you're male and think of something as a men's issue, by golly that makes it a men's issue fit for inclusion in this thread. I might disagree with you as to the solution, but as a woman I'm not going to tell you you have no right to be concerned about it. No "womansplaining" here.
Edited by nombretomado on Dec 15th 2019 at 5:19:34 AM
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I assume it's the more extreme form of "beta". What a dumb term.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
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Facts are optional to hate groups.
As for MR As, it comes down to how you define it. Are you talking about any groups that speaks about men's issues/right/problems? Then no. Are you talking specifically about the ones that use the label MR As? Those tend to be shithives but in many ways you're dealing with a cult mentality for some members as as such can't be certain if they way they act is who they are or how they've been programmed.
The 'major' (I use the term loosely as we're still dealing with an almost unknown internet sub-culture) groups that identify as MRA don't actually talk about men's issues, they would be better defined as anti-feminist groups campaigning for the preservation of the existing gender system while pretending they care about men's issues.
edited 30th Mar '15 5:28:16 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
@Logo P
"Chad" or (and God I hate typing this) "Chad Thundercock" is in these morons' mind, the dumb jock thug that all women secretly want to date. They believe that all women have this same ideal man in their head, and that they rate men on the basis of how closely they approach being "Chad". Ergo any man who can actually get a date is a "Chad" and deserves to die.
EDIT: Sorry about originally putting your name wrong there. I was reading someone's post and typing the response at the same time and some wires got crossed in my head.
edited 30th Mar '15 5:36:15 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
The law in the night
These guys represent males issues as much as Tumblr feminists represent female issues.
Those groups took a label to justify how much of a shitty people they are and how it is always someone else to blame while using it to shield themselves from criticism.
Inter arma enim silent leges
Party Crasher
By that logic, Woody Allen, married thrice and a notorious womanizer, is a total Chad.
Edit: No worries 
Omega P actually sounds pretty cool. Hell, anything with omega (Ω) in it has a certain charm. I don't know why these creeps consider it an insult.
edited 30th Mar '15 5:39:49 PM by LogoP
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.
A procrastination in of itself
I do wonder how much of that young internet culture thing is people feeling their is something wrong with their life but being told that they have it great and should shut up, as such they go looking for someone who will validate their real problem but instead end up inside a cult like group who declare that everything is the fault of X group.
edited 30th Mar '15 5:39:06 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
A nice butterfly
Lesbians are such Chads.
It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes
Yep. Hell, the fact that I've been in a relationship for five years would cause these guys to slap that label on me, despite my being as far from their stereotype as you can imagine.
They think omega's an insult because they subscribe to a complete misreading of wolf social structure. Hell, the whole "beta" male thing is even stupider, because even under the misreading of wolf social structure they subscribe to, "beta" isn't much of an insult—a beta would be the second-in-command.
You have summed up cult recruitment very well there.
edited 30th Mar '15 5:42:08 PM by AmbarSonofDeshar
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The reason why omega is used as an insult is because of the "alpha" and "beta" terms, from where omega is the logical conclusion.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
A procrastination in of itself
But Gamma comes next...
Plus since when did angry internet fools know the Greek alphabet?
Which means that the logical way to address such groups is to tackle the reason issues of the people they recruit before they recruit them.
edited 30th Mar '15 5:47:57 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Writer, Artist, Ignored
The law in the night
The whole Alpha, Beta and Omega things are stupid to begin with.
It doesn't even have a clear metric besides "if you're not out there scoring with chicks you're total loser or if you don't kick the ass of anyone who looks at you funny you're a pussy".
Specially men who label themselves as Alpha tend to be major douchebags with nothing much to brag about.
Inter arma enim silent leges
Writer, Artist, Ignored
A procrastination in of itself
Yeah MRA groups and the ideology of Alpha and all that shit is actually one of the major problems that men face, seeing as it's simple a stupidly restrictive gender role that benefits only a few.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Ehm, about the Germanwings pilot - not sure what's going on in the English speaking web, but in the German speaking it basically exploded when feminist magazine Emma
ran a story about how a quota for more female pilots would have somehow prevented that, because male pilots have a higher risk of suicide, because they are men.
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
I mean I guess the raw math sorta works like that.
They're totally wrong though
Oh really when?
You gotta love it when people don't understand statistics.
A procrastination in of itself
X3 So one set of hate filled exstreamists set of another, can we just lock them in a room together and let them fight?
edited 30th Mar '15 9:23:55 PM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Briefly stepping in.
I agree with the attitude that many online MRA groups are not necessarily heinous individuals with untenable beliefs. Similar to certain you-know-who groups in cyberspace, many of them have legitimate grievances that can be identified and sympathized with so long as you shovel through mounds of misguided assumptions about how the world works. The more hostile ones merge bioessentialism and traditionalist rhetoric with a chronic and maybe pathological need to be vindicated, even if it's just superficial.
edited 30th Mar '15 9:40:01 PM by Aprilla
The sad thing is, while Emma is occasionally subject of severe criticism from other feminists, it's pretty big and has a lot of influence, Alice Schwarzer (the publisher) being often cited in national media and heard in talk shows. And has some support from other prominent people. Basically, you call it extremist, but it's actually pretty main stream...
About MR As... there are different kinds, from extremely hostile and disgusting, to relatively reasonable and friendly. Depends on the site and author you look at. Of course, in the comments you will always find some of the former category.
edited 30th Mar '15 10:29:40 PM by Uchuujinsan
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Absolutely no relation to NLK
Wow, that's a thoroughly shitty thing from Emma. I hate it when people use a tragedy to push their agenda.
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
Blowout soon fellow Stalker
Lots of crazy men are featured here in the US as part of talk shows and national media. Doesn't make them any less crazy or on the fringe.
Oh really when?
Absolutely no relation to NLK
Maybe this is just the impression I've gotten, but radical feminists seem to be reviled less than the MRA equivalent.
edited 31st Mar '15 6:24:11 AM by Ninety
Dopants: He meant what he said and he said what he meant, a Ninety is faithful 100%.
A procrastination in of itself
Most people outside the internet don't know MR As exist and have a similar reaction to the stereotypical internet rad fems.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran
Also, "omega rage" "Chads"? Am I missing something?
edited 30th Mar '15 5:26:10 PM by LogoP
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane.