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Didn't Green Arrow get raped back in the 80's? As far as I can tell, it was strictly played for drama, (shocking, I know,) and even if later writers completely missed the boat, it could still have been handled well around the time it was actually done. Then again, I never actually read that story, so for all I know, it could have just been a distasteful pile of crap from the get-go.

Is that the one where Black Canary tore into him for "cheating" on her?

I'm pretty sure that only happened later, when other writers 'missed the boat'. As in, they completely misunderstood the entire story and treated GA's rape as a casual fling that GA willingly committed to, which couldn't be further from the truth. So while it may have been tastefully handled when it first happened, it was more or less downgraded into a farce as the years went on, at least in terms of how the writers treated it.

Am I terrible for wanting Jean Grey to get punched in the face so hard she loses her telepathy? I would laugh for days.

Which Jean Grey?

Probably. Unless you mean Teen Jean after the shitty thing she did with Iceman.

edited 28th May '16 10:36:32 PM by AlleyOop

Teen Jean. She's the only one around at the moment and the only one who does anything. Who else would I be talking about?

The idea of her suddenly no longer being able to invade people's utmost privacy and throwing a tantrum about having to respect boundaries now is amazing.

edited 28th May '16 10:38:50 PM by SonOfSharknado

Speaking of Jean Grey, I was wondering: how would y'all have wanted her revived after the Dark Phoenix Saga, if at all? Her entire resurrection was a bit wonky.

Is she complaining now or are ya talking bout before Extraordinary?

How am I supposed to know? I don't follow Extraordinary.

edited 28th May '16 10:51:36 PM by slimcoder

Wait, has she lost her telepathy?

Teen Jean's awesome. The fact that she has to learn to respect boundaries is actually part of what I'm enjoying about her. And she does seem to have learned - EXM doesn't have her reading minds without permission, at least so far.

Plus, Teen Jean's got a good sense for drama, which is what I liked best about Adult Jean. Jean, when she wanted to, could be Dramatic. It's easy to forget, to think of her as the Team Mom, all nice and sweet and calm. But at her best, Jean was almost on Storm's level when it came to making a visual impact. And Teen Jean's got that.

So I really do love Teen Jean. Is she perfect? No, of course not. So what? She's a teenager. She's still learning. And she's a teenager who was shown her future, shown her life laid out in front of her, and Jean was always a woman who said "fuck you" to fate and to having her life laid out. She's someone who refuses to give up control of her life. And Teen Jean's got that, too, so seeing it all laid out? Yeah, she was not happy, and she pushed back hard.

So, yeah. Teen Jean's awesome.

Well I stopped reading All-New a little after the battle of the atom arc so I still don't like her that much.

Honestly are the O5 worth the space or should they just go back home?

go back home.

I'm really enjoying them. Tykeclops has such a great story, seeing what he's become and trying to figure out what he has to do to not let that happen to him. Teen Jean has her refusal to let anyone else define her life, including another version of herself. Beast and Angel also have the "don't become what I become" thing going on, but they're handling it in their own ways. And Bobby . . . well, he's there. He's trying to keep his friends together. Which is endearing, actually. He has no particular problem with who he becomes. He has no angst about the future/present. He just wants to keep hanging out with his friends.

I think a lot of the problems people have with them is the basic premise. It's not about the characters, it's about having multiple versions of the same characters running around. The thing is, I think that does make for a good story. How would your 16-year-old self react to your 30-year-old self? What would you do to avoid becoming who you grew up to be? That's a compelling story, and it's very much a long-form story - it needs a lot of time and space to be explored.

The X-Men have a long history of time travel from the future. Rachel, Cable, Bishop, most prominently, but there are others - plenty of people who came from the future to fight in the present. But it's not often you see a time traveler from the past. So it's a fresh take on an old premise.

As much hate as the O5 get, I will defend their presence. It is a great story.

I think you're right about the issue being with the basic premise, and I'd extend it further to saying the issue is with the idea that the original five are special enough to warrant this. This isn't the first time we've had writers go out of their way to make a team of the original five (Jean was resurrected so this could happen) and the idea of taking the characters out of their timeline to get their "actual" original selves might make it even worse for people.

There is plenty of story selling potential there, but it feels a lot like the motivation is more about nostalgia and trying to capture a sense of when things were right. Because the comics industry have a huuuuge problem with this, so I can't blame fans for being skeptical.

I'm not a fan of the premise. That doesn't mean you can't make good stories from it, but I think you could accomplish the same without such a nostalgia driven premise as that one.

Well, I think most long-time fans would actually point to the Claremont era as when the X-Men were right, rather than the O5. But it does raise an interesting point.

In-story, a reminder of "the good old days" actually was the reason they were grabbed. And I suspect Marvel did have that in mind when they approved the story, as well. But the thing is, it hasn't been like the good old days. It's kinda playing with the nostalgia angle in some interesting ways. It's less about how things should be, and more how they shouldn't be. It's not really looking backwards, it's looking at how things are, and having the characters examine the choices they're willing to make to not end up the same. It's been all about developing the characters in new ways.

So I think that describing it as an exercise in nostalgia does it a disservice. I am not a person who wallows in nostalgia. But I loved ANXM under Bendis, and I'm enjoying it under Hopeless. And Teen Jean is one of the better parts of EXM, as well (Illyana is clearly the best part).

Edit: Adjectiveless X-Men was really a more nostalgia-driven book. And Amazing X-Men was the nostalgia-driven title. That one was all about going back to "how things should be." I mean, a cast of Storm, Wolverine, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Beast and Iceman (with Firestar and Northstar along for the ride)? Where they have crazy superhero adventures? It could not be a more nostalgic book if they got Chris Claremont himself to write it. That was an exercise in nostalgia. That was the "how things should be" title.

edited 29th May '16 1:36:04 AM by Tiamatty

I just thought of this now but has Tyke met any of his kids? Like Cable or Rachel or whoever? Seriously I know Jean met Rachel but the entire affair was treated comedic & they both chose to ignore each other. Still their could be some interest in getting young Scott to meet Cable especially since he can also learn about Madelyn or has he had an extended conversation with Emma, his future rapist & the third love of his life? There's a lot of mileage outta this shit.

Also are Angel & Laura really broken up or is the thing still going kinda?

edited 29th May '16 1:55:00 AM by slimcoder

I don't think we've seen Tyke meet Cable or Rachel. And I don't think he's really talked much with Emma. I would assume he's at least learned about Maddie, and the others. I mean, he's Scott Summers. There's no way he hasn't read just about everything in the X-Men's history.

Angel and Laura are currently broken up, but I mean, it's an ongoing story, so we'll see how long it lasts.

Choosing Sides switches stories and covers.

Weird that we haven't seen it. I mean it make great soap opera drama & it could give Tyke more shit to bitch about Scott.

I mean we got him meeting his brother & the Scarlet Witch, so why not his fucking kids or the mom of one of his kids? Scott had a kid with Emma right?

edited 29th May '16 2:16:11 AM by slimcoder

Abandoned Love: Remember when Psylocke had magic ninja powers?

Kudos to these guys remembering anything about Psylocke.

Still waiting on Teen Jean and Teen Cyke to go back home.

Yes.

edited 29th May '16 7:17:26 AM by comicwriter

It sounds like Echo is back for real.

Isn't that solicit old?