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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5926: Mar 26th 2015 at 8:23:31 AM

Well, my whole side of argument was premised on the idea that Dipper doesn't know that it would temporary. Like some magic thingamabob turns him female, breaks beyond repair, and he has to deal with the possibility of being stuck that way. Obviously he wouldn't be, but he wouldn't know that.

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#5927: Mar 26th 2015 at 3:12:00 PM

So a bit of speculation related to the Stan identity switch theory.

I was musing back to the "Bottomless Pit" episode specifically the third explicitly canonical segment. The joke with Stan writing in big bold letters I HAVE COMMITTED TAX FRAUD gels very well with this theory. Why? Because the only purpose of doing that even if you were forced to be honest was to draw attention to it. US taxes are usually done early in the year and he was using the 2012 form which meant he was needlessly filling out a form due six months in advance.

Notably despite your taxes encouraging by design for you to begin by writing down your name, Stan didn't write his name on the form. With that in mind I think the tax fraud confession was a desperate plea to get the twins to remove the teeth before, someone in any circumstances asked him "Who are you?"

Also I'm pretty sure identity theft would generally also consist of tax fraud.[lol]

edited 26th Mar '15 3:14:18 PM by RhymeBeat

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#5928: Mar 26th 2015 at 3:18:41 PM

[up] Did Stan know he had the teeth, though?

edited 26th Mar '15 3:18:49 PM by Spinosegnosaurus77

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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5929: Mar 26th 2015 at 3:22:51 PM

I don't think the twins told him at any point but he had to have realized that he was being forced to be honest at some point.

Also he may have either been told about the teeth from the Author or seen it when writing the wacky commentary in the third journal.

edited 26th Mar '15 3:26:12 PM by RhymeBeat

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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#5930: Mar 26th 2015 at 3:48:29 PM

[up][up] He could have easily realized that something was up, but didn't let on.

edited 26th Mar '15 3:54:32 PM by KarkatTheDalek

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#5931: Mar 26th 2015 at 7:45:17 PM

Under the influence of the teeth, Stan volunteered a lot of honesty - such as when he called the police to confess to more crimes, or his unsettling nihilistic observations, prompted solely by the fact that he thought of them. The effect of the teeth seemed less like selective editing of his dialogue and more like an actual personality shift - the teeth didn't compel him to tell the truth, they actually made him honest on a personal level.

edited 26th Mar '15 7:45:45 PM by TobiasDrake

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JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
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#5933: Mar 26th 2015 at 7:52:00 PM

I feel like we should have gotten a lot more info on Stan's other crimes then. Even removing the possibility of identity theft, he neglects to mention any of the forgery he did, and he had to fake SOMEONE's death for a Stan Pines to be dead, when neither of them are.

Also more evidence for the switch. Author's handwriting, Deed to the Mystery Shack.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#5934: Mar 26th 2015 at 8:48:57 PM

[up]Oh, right. Can't forget the time the twins spent at least a night in a jail cell because Stan talked them into helping him forge money.

Do their parents know they now have criminal records?

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5935: Mar 26th 2015 at 8:53:27 PM

The answer to that question is readily apparent. The twins haven't been sent home yet.

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KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
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odafangirl Indeed. from Land of Fun and Pain Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#5937: Mar 27th 2015 at 12:10:51 AM

I've got a theory, wrote it up on Tumblr, figured I could share it

As for the truth teeth, put me in the 'Was aware but played up the grossest, most disturbing, and most self-destructive truths he could so Mabel would take the damn teeth out' Camp. It's basically the only thing that makes sense considering all the things that stayed hidden.

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EchoingSilence Since: Jun, 2013
#5938: Mar 27th 2015 at 4:03:44 AM

That Bill grudge is pretty easy to justify, considering Bill is a powerful being who messed with Grunkle Stan's head.

Robbie isn't too hard to understand being mad at considering he was going to brainwash Wendy. And if anything it might have only been a week or two since that happened considering they are in summer.

As for Pacifica that was just because she made Mabel sad it lasted longer than needed. Dipper doesn't like anyone hurting anyone he cares for in any way.

Wait... I am noticing a theme.

JapaneseTeeth Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing from Meinong's jungle Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Mu
Existence Weighed Against Nonbeing
#5939: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:12:27 AM

[up][up]I think you make some very good points, with the caveat that I don't think that Dipper will be pushed to the side permanently. I think the role swap will be a part of his development, and he'll go back to being the hero at the end of the story, or at least the roles will go back to where they were. The reason I think that is because Mabel and Dipper need each other. Dipper is the head, and Mabel is the heart of the team. The whole point is that they balance each other out; Dipper needs Mabel to keep him from getting overly paranoid and losing sight of what's right, whereas Mabel needs Dipper to help her focus and reign in her impulses. This is just a very extreme example of that.

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#5940: Mar 27th 2015 at 7:17:07 AM

Yeah I can't see Dipper making a Faceā€“Heel Turn for much longer than a two parter. Some bitterness leading up to said turn though is likely.

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odafangirl Indeed. from Land of Fun and Pain Since: Oct, 2010 Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
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#5941: Mar 27th 2015 at 8:00:00 AM

I don't think it's going to be as short as a two parter, but no way in hell would it be permanent either. Mabel wouldn't let that happen!

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#5942: Mar 27th 2015 at 10:52:29 AM

I come back to bout two pages talking about Pincest...wonderful.

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#5943: Mar 27th 2015 at 10:59:35 AM

Well this page we're discussing theories and stuff at least.

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#5945: Mar 27th 2015 at 12:53:36 PM

I wanna see an AMV of Bill Cipher set to Cab Calloway's "Reefer Man". Sombody make it happen.

RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5946: Mar 27th 2015 at 4:26:28 PM

So Mr. Mackerell is on Team Author/Stanford Weird Al.

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#5947: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:32:16 PM

Who?

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RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5948: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:35:29 PM

The guy who makes the Order of the Holy Mackerell videos.

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Brahian1 Maid of Time from Where Nothing Gathers Since: Jul, 2013 Relationship Status: He makes me feel like I have a heart
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#5949: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:38:13 PM

what?

i think i mostly want to see what happens when this whole place breaks apart
RhymeBeat Bird mom from Eastern Standard Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: In Lesbians with you
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#5950: Mar 27th 2015 at 5:45:00 PM

Basically a guy who makes Grabity Falls speculation and analysis vids.

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